Good for the united pilots
 

Here is an example that times are changing. Good for the united pilots that refuse to simply take union abuses. http://www.nrtw.org/b/nr_517.php
Thats right ALPO people aren't drinking your koolaid anymore. Slowly but surely my bois at the NRTW foundation are coming to get you. Next stop the end of forced union dues!!!


Washington, DC (June 16, 2006) — With free legal assistance from the National Right to Work Foundation, a group of 15 United Airlines (UAL) employees filed a federal lawsuit against the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) union today for discriminating against nonunion pilots. According to the complaint, the ALPA union hierarchy purposefully and illegally failed to inform nonunion employees of their right to sell future United stock shares issued during the airline’s bankruptcy reorganization plan.

The workers filed the class-action lawsuit in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia for all nonmember United pilots – a number estimated to exceed 200.

The airline and ALPA union officials agreed that, prior to the issuance of the new United stock upon its emergence from bankruptcy, each pilot would have the option to sell their future right to receive the stock. Any pilot could exercise that option by authorizing ALPA union officials to sell his or her interest in the claim for the highest price achievable in the market.

As a result of this agreement, employees who participated in the auction profited from the new United stock at a substantially greater amount than what the shares could be sold for when subsequently distributed.

But ALPA union officials informed only union members – not nonmembers – of this option to participate in the auction. Information regarding the option to sell future stock, and the forms required to participate in the auction, were secluded to a remote “members only” portion of the union’s website accessible only with a password not given to nonmembers.

“The ALPA union hierarchy deliberately and unlawfully misled nonmembers in an attempt to retaliate against them for refusing formal union membership,” said Stefan Gleason, vice president of the National Right to Work Foundation. “Union officials wanted to send a message to all employees that they had better toe the union line.”

Employees who are not formal members of the ALPA union are still forced to accept the terms of the union’s monopoly bargaining contract and all of its provisions regarding salary, benefits, seniority, and pensions. Under the Railway Labor Act, it is unlawful for employees to negotiate their own, more-favorable contracts with their employer. The Act also stipulates that the ALPA union owes nonmembers in the bargaining unit a so-called “duty of fair representation,” which supposedly prevents union officials from acting against the interests of those refraining from formal union membership.

The United pilots’ lawsuit seeks an order declaring that the ALPA union breached its duty of fair representation, as well as damages for each employee equal to the share difference between the auction sales price for the claims and the actual trade price of the stock at the time it was issued, plus interest.

The National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation is a nonprofit, charitable organization providing free legal aid to employees whose human or civil rights have been violated by compulsory unionism abuses. The Foundation, which can be contacted toll-free at 1-800-336-3600, is assisting over 250,000 employees in over 200 cases nationwide.

Whatever.........., I bet management will willingly give these 15 UAL guys the best contract ever as soon as they get rid of the Union.

Quit posting on here Mr. Tilton

De Angelo, I have a question to axe you
 

Will pilots be better off w/out a union?

In case you missed it, this is a group of UNION SCABS.

The case won't go anywhere, but it is good to see a lawyer taking money from thee scumbags.

Should have known. I'm sure Palladin will chime in shortly with more pro-scab verbage. Barf

In case you missed it, they're getting FREE legal representation.
Also, I don't see how they can be considered scabs. Railway Act prevents them from negotiating better contracts.

;) I can't figure out how ALPA breached it's obligation to it's represented pilots.....Those bringing the lawsuit don't belong to ALPA!

Once a scab, always a scab. If you cross a picket line at any point in your career you will be labeled scab in perpetuity.

That isn't nessecarily a bad thing. For one thing blacklists are things of the dark ages. Another thing plenty of scabs are members of the mecs or unions. Another thing if your booted out of the union forcefully you no longer have to pay the dues which is a good thing. Basically to ALPO being a scab is a bad thing unless the price is right then they make the stigma go away. HYPOCRITES!!! The number of people who actually read those lists is few and far between

Absolutely. You pilots want a raise? Get rid of your union theres an instant 2% raise right there!!!! The threat of a union is an extremely valuable tool. In fact it promotes open dialouge with pilots and management. Once a union is in the iron curtain falls. The union then focuses on nothing but getting as much dues as they can. Greedy slobs!!!

Really?????

Try jumpseating sometime Einstein.

I do admit every now and then there may be a denied jumpseat. Easily solved by non-reving, having ID-90s or jumpseating on the regionals. I have yet to fly with a captain at comair that checks "scab lists". I myself do not have a problem jumpseating if I do. I don't commute however I myself am not on a scab list.

I'm truly sorry of what personal experience soured you to Unions and in a perfect world it would be nice to not need Unions, but this isn't a perfect world. The actual threat is the withholding of services, because a threat of unionizing is about as effective as a yo mamma joke; all it did at FedEx is delay for years a legally binding contract.

Oh, long live the scab list....maybe the souring experience is that you're on it.

Sorry D, you just don't get it. These clowns are Scabs, (probably just like you), and want to pretend they didn't cross a picket line and be treated just like everybody else.

Won't happen even if a judge decrees it.

Being a scab on the list isn't that much of a problem for your career really. Look at all the ones that have been forgiven by the union. The message is that pay enough money and the problem goes away. Basically the union is using blackmail. I myself am not on a scab list as I work for comair. If I was ever placed on one would I worry? absolutely not. In fact the MEC chair at ASA is an eastern scab. Guess all you have to do is drink the union koolaid and pay lots of dues to get forgiven. No biggie. Also if its treally a problem you can always not commute. Theres always ways to get around hardcore union thugs. They think with misguided passions not their heads.

I guess your all set at ASA and have no plans to upgrade to the majors. Enjoy your career there. Why not post your name so we can assure you're never hired by one of the large Union carriers?

Actually I work for comair. I refer to ASA as the "Always Super Arrogant" pilots. They want the world handed to them and everyone to do the dirty work for them. This however is a story for a different day. As far as posting my name. I think not my friend. I know how to play the union game. Act all "hold the line" and hardcore union etc etc. Get the job then try tochange it from within. The main goal being of course the destruction of unionism in America someday. I doubt I will see it in my lifetime but with the continued work of my friends at the national right to work foundation we will keep fighting the good fight. You see my friends at this foundation provide free legal assistance to any pilot who is the victim of union abuses. This is unlike ALPO where they have to charge you a merger fund just to protect you in the event of a merger. Thats right their lawyers are too incompetent to represent their own pilots in merger talks.

D'Angelo's Ditrabe ...
 

Yo D,

Try the book Flying the Line, the first one for sure. Maybe even read Volume II if you can spare the time from your right to work crusade.

And no I am not some union thug or cheerleader, far from it. :rolleyes:

But the first book might give you some perspective why professional pilots need ALPA. It is a history though, might be a dry read.

Are speaking about yourself ? If you REALLY hate unions that much, why are you at COMAIR with an ALPA contract to protect your butt ?

I am sure there are PLENTY of wonderful operators that would love to have your experience and caliber of airman to enrich their seniority list. :cool:


Later, CC

;)

I am at comair because they were the first company to offer me a job. I agree unions had their place at airlines in THE PAST. They have no place at airlines today. Outdated archaic laws focus way too much on the rights of unions and not so much on the right to work. My goal is the destruction of unions. I doubt I will live to see this accomplished but some day unions will be beaten at their own game. The important thing to look for now is a future with no unions. Thats right no more protecting the weak and the lazy. The laws are far too liberal as far as allowing "union drama". That means somewhere theres always strike talk or contract negotiations. Thats a load of crap. The right to strike needs to be eliminated NOW!!!!

this guy was on flightinfo.com and got booted for being a moron

He was over on the mesa board talking about how the comair guys hate his @ss for picking up gobs of open time...go figure.

Tell me then sir. Why does EVERY ALPO airline negotiate open time if they don't want people to pick it up?? Thats right its my right to pick it up whenever I feel like it. Also while your at it why do union seem to need to control how everyone acts and speaks in the name of "unity". Its a fine line between being a member of the borg really. No one ever debates the facts with me they simply resort to name calling. I guess pilots really can't stand someone who has a different opinion. Im not management nor a union man. Simply a man who is tired of the rhetoric from both sides and ready for change. I know pilots don't like change. The problem is the same tactics no longer work. ALPO needs to adapt or move on. This is why I predict the destruction of unionism within 75 years. They never have been able to move on from their one track way of thinking.

I know it hurts hearing the truth. They banned me because of emotions not because of logic. Trust me many a people over there have said much worse things than me and not even gotten a few day ban. The reason I was banned is because people are too afraid to hear the truth about their little union. If you replaced what I said with the words management instead of ALPA id probably be a national hero over there. No worries im not in this to pander to peer pressure. I am here to make mine and everyone else who is sick and tired of unions voices heard. Trust me we are the minority as of now but we are growing rapidly. Oh yes ALPOs day of reckoning is coming. I will be there in all my glory. Watching, watching as it all comes CRUMBLING DOWN. If ALPA does adapt and change to present times then I will eat my words. I am not holding my breath on that one though.

Classic :p

So D,

Why did you even APPLY to Comair ? You DID know they have ALPA on property right ? It was your choice ... lots of other non-union operators out there that you should be focusing on ! They would LOVE to have you for sure.

Have you ever worked non-union ? I mean a real job. Before you got to fly RJs around.

I worked construction and factories, union and non-union, I prefer the UNION shops. You might to if you ever REALLY worked in a Right to Work state at a Right to Work factory ...

Guess for now you can kick back real cool, and enjoy the pay, benefits and work rules of your Comair ALPA contract ... while you and the boys work to destroy unions !

How ironic ...

:eek:

I agree that unions have there place, however comparing the need and function of Contruction, Mining, or other manual labor unions to those in Aviation, specifically ALPA is comparing apples and Oranges

Since you feel so strongly about this issue, I'm sure you give back all of the money ALPA has negotiated for you, right? I mean, otherwise you'd be considered a hypocrite.

You mean, sort of like what Russia had before the fall of communism? Don't forget that Hitler didn't have any trouible with unions, either, as he just outlawed them.

I don't think you'll find many people here that would willingly share a foxhole with you.

I won't be paying them one red cent back. They have forced me to pay dues for years anyway so I don't owe them a thing, even if I succeed in my goal. I didn't say I wanted unions outlawed. I want unions to die a natural death. The right to strike isn't absolute. It's time to tell people you are free to quit at any time however don't expect your job back. If enough people quit then the contract will have to change. Again the threat of a union is more powerful than a union itself. You talk about Russia and hitler well lets talk about the RLA. Under the RLA you are basically FORCED to join the union. That is also like living under a dictatorship. The country got so focused on worrying about the right to organize they forget about all the people that get plowed under the bus by the union thugs. You talk about pilots being professionals. You don't see doctors or lawyers going on strike do you? It's time to decide are we professionals or just another blue collar profession dominated by constant union drama.

I applied because this is the career I wanted. I'm not going to let a union run my life I simply joined the airline that fit me best at the time. I would have loved to work for skywest however comair called first and therefore I took the job. Now I can work with my friends at the NRTW to at least eliminate the forced dues clause of the RLA. Trust me it is unconstitutional and will be thrown out. I predict it will take 10-20 years for forced unionism to go away. There are two goals I think will be fulfilled in my lifetime. First goal is every state become a right to work state. The second goal is make the RLA allow for the option to not only not join the union but to not have to pay them one dime. Ive wasted enough money on them already. I have no problem with the airlines who use the threat of ALPA to get a better contract. They get a good deal and don't have to blow 2% of their check every month! Sounds like a no brainer to me. I would love to be kicking back, reaping all the benefits and not paying them a dime. I do believe this will happen some day. You want to be in the union fine but don't force it on me.

You might wear a white shirt and tie but don't be so naive to think that you are anything but labor and a throw-a-way widget to management.

You know, I've got some real issues with ALPA, but for any airline pilot to think they would be better off without union representation is someone who doesn't understand what's going on out there.

Airline managements just LOVE your line of thinking. They'll pat you on the back, tell you what a great guy you are and while you're just grinning from ear to ear, the time will come when they'll throw you away without any hesitation on their part.

I asked you this before, but you didn't answer. So I'll ask it again - are your convictions strong enough to return the money and benefits ALPA has negotiated on your behalf? :p

That's not what I heard from My past co-workers at Comair. They told me they know who you are and that you are indeed former scab.

I hope everyone doesn't start profilin' now and check those scab lists every time a brutha tries to J/S.

You mean the company signs my paycheck and ALPA just fills in the ammount :p


I'm sure Mr. D'Angelo would be willing to grovel for whatever the company would be will to dish out absent a labor union (which wouldn't be much). It's all about him you know.

Had a funny feeling this guy was probably an ex-EAL scab. Oh well, no surprise there and don't forget, he maybe former EAL, but he will ALWAYS be a SCAB.

lol it would be hard for me to be a former scab. When the whole eastern airline thing was goin down I was still a few years away from being able to even hold a certificate. When the 1998 northwest strike happened I was into my second year of college. I was not at comair during the 2001 strike. I fail to see how that could place me on any scab list. Anyone who has been a scab simply has to say sorry, pay some extra dues and the stigma would probably be removed. How do you explain the ASA MEC chair being a former EAL type. I thought a scab was the unforgivable sin. Lets face it ALPO will forgive anyone if the price is right. I do not commute however have never had problems jumpseating. Perhaps your cohorts do know who I am. They are mistaken about the scab part though. Based on my age it is simply impossible. I am in my late 20s. Not too far from 30. Don't worry anyone who is ever in the long island area holla at yo boi D' and we can have a nice debate about unions. Civil debaters only of course.

How could I be a former eastern guy when I wasn't even in high school when this was going down??

IOW, you're a teenager, just trying to rile us up. I'm not biting.

Yo D', (from "strong island" huh?)
If there was no union at Comair, what would you like as far as compensation, work rules, retirement, etc...?
How would you make sure it stayed that way. Just trying to see your side of it. I know you pointed out earlier about an arbitrator, etc. But that would have to apply to each individual in the company.
Just want to know how you figure...

Confessions of a Union Buster
 

D, You should read this book by Martin Levitt. It will give you some great ideas. But, I strongly doubt that you are a well read or educated person. My father had a saying: "Ignorant and proud of it" and boy, that is you.

Not exactly Duvie ... BOTH pilots AND construction type laborers are BLUE COLLAR workers !!! :eek:

And BOTH industries had terrible safety records prior to the advent of unions. And MANY of the safety improvements in both fields were a result of the unions effort.

I guess the miners do get a little dirtier ... :rolleyes:

I think its more like comparing oranges to tangerines !

But go ahead and believe you are a white collar manager for awhile ... :rolleyes:

Later, CC

What airline would that be? Who uses the threat of ALPA to get better deals from their airline's management? We tried that at FDX for a long time. Things just stagnated or deteriorated. Finally got a pay raise and B fund after we unionized.

Maybe someday you will have enough self-esteem to realize that you are worth more than the pittance management wants to scatter your way. When that happens you will finally see the value of unions. Until then, keep on applying for that Chief Pilot's position.