Pay Cuts
 

I know this a sore subject, but anyone want to offer a collective estimate of pay cuts for your pilot group since 9/11/2001.

Someone probably has better data than I, but from my recollection (I'm not there anymore), pure pay appears around 42% paycut at Delta. That's just $$, not all the other aspects of the contract gutted. That is from where a 767ER captain was and is today. That also doesn't include the reduction in international override. So when all cash extras and ways to make extra are taken into consideration, probably close to 50%, just money in pocket. Again not including things like increase in medical and things like that.

To put it into perspective, a B717 captain at AirTran makes more than a B767ER international captain at Delta. Of course their company is making money and the legacies are not. Has them smiling, I am sure. Someone has to try and keep the bar up a little.

Should be an interesting thread.

At my old company a lot of guys lost their left seat on top of the pay cuts so they have seen a reduction of well over 50%.

TP

Pay cut
 

I experienced a 15% pay cut that was followed six months later by a 100% pay cut after the airline shutdown.

SkyHigh

If you are single, or have a family that's up for a new life style, then the money is over seas. Entry level positions equal to 10 to 15 year seniority captain pay at Delta and NW. Equipment is new, and benefits are pretty good too.

United Cuts
 

Contract 2000 was gutted in 2003 to the tune of 40% + and again in 2005. Take home pay was reduced by around 45-50% and the pension was canceled.

By far the biggest hit, and the one that's difficult to estimate a cost was work rules. UAL's work rules have taken a 70 year jump backwards.

I have family in India and Mid-East (Dubai / UAE) wish I was qualified (had more than a PPL...)to work overseas.

-LAFF

Selling the pay cuts
 

If Delta had continued to pay full pensions, RETIREES would have been collecting more than active captains. Delta and DALPA foresaw that this would cause great labor unrest as soon as pesky profits began to reappear, so they cooperated in an unnecessary pension dump to make the unnecessary pay cuts more palatable. Retirees had no vote. A Delta executive admitted in court that they expect to be "wildly profitable" after exiting bankruptcy. They could have settled for "modestly profitable", saving the pensions AND pay scales, but they saw a window of opportunity and used it. :mad:

The court hearing on termination starts Friday.

They could have settled for "modestly profitable", saving the pensions AND pay scales, but they saw a window of opportunity and used it. :mad:

But that is contrary to the pure capitolist government to which we are hostage. :mad: Terminating pensions should be illegal. Godspeed to you and yours. I'm curious to know if you retirees will have any claim on the treasury note or the other 2.1 million

Sorry to say, since 9-11, paycuts have been 100% for 1600+ pilots (Atlantic Coast Airlines/Independence Air)