Go away troll

I don't care WHO you are, that's some funny ****... If you don't think so, you need your head examined.

Jeez, something good happens and people get all hostile about ALPA. I'm indoctrinated, not obsessively obedient, and believe they serve a purpose. They're a tool to accomplish job-oriented goals. That's it. Not every tool is perfect for every issue, and some are completed easier than others.

Nothing new about that...

So who started it? IPA or ALPA?

CASS was started by IPA after 9/11. Without CASS, we would not have this "almost" crew pass.

Carl

Sure, Carl. Whatever you say.

Okay, I get it, anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed and entrenched. Maybe some day they will be blessed with your grand enlightenment. Is it tough getting your head through the door of the cockpit?

I read the test phase is being expanded to 7 more airports for 3 months. I'm under the impression there is no plan in place after that.

Hurray!!!!! Now try and concentrate on what I pay dues for like Pay and Scope!!!

Yes.

It's tough not because his head is large, as you're alluding too, but that his head is attached to his body which is holding a wide guitar while being caressed, possibly fondled, by the plethora of persistent girls he attracts.

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1301717561

I frankly don't know how he moves up and down the concourse.

For any of you losers who wish to be more like 80, I present to you 80ktsclamp's "Learning Guitar to Get Laid"



The most important lesson to learn, is your not 80, and you never will be.

But remember, tap on the guitar.

I know, I know...I'll never be clamp. But you DO have to be careful with that guitar stuff:




Carl

Speaking of indoctrinated, I present to you lesson 2, from 80ktsclamp.

Touche'.

Piano lessons?

Why do you think I've played guitar for so long? ;)


Ladies!?

(and holy crap so much of that "lesson" is true.)

Nope, definitely not that. Just those that are entrenched and brainwashed are entrenched and brainwashed. It's really not that difficult of a concept.

It's this dang E-collar that makes it hard to fit in the cockpit...

Any more questions?

Good job alpa.. now fix my pay.

You could also say that people that are simplistic and unsophisticated try to come up with simple solutions to complex problems and thus find themselves always feeling especially wise when in fact they are just being simple minded.

On the CAL Town Hall conference call a couple of weeks ago, our MEC Chairman responded to a question that ALPA President Moak would most likely have an announcement within a couple of weeks. Sure enough this comes out so there must have been enough movement where the MEC chairs knew something was going to be announced.

From a Delta press release:

Delta Commends TSA Crew Personnel Advanced Screening System, Again Urges Inclusion of Flight Attendants - Yahoo! Finance

However, you seem to fail to recognize that bloated bureaucracies create complexities that might not need to exist in the first place.

Feeling frustrated alfa? Need a hug?

That is the response of someone that has done the work, and enjoys flying the line more. :eek:

Oh I know he's been there and done that. He's just too easy to get all riled up. :D

And the point is that I give crap where crap is due. Just because he's done the work and enjoys flying the line more doesn't mean he still can't see past it.

Official TSA Press Release on CREWPASS!!
 

Crewmember Identity Verification Program To Begin Testing
Press Release

April 1, 2011

Contact:
TSA Press Affairs
(571) 227-2829

WASHINGTON – The Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), and the Air Transport Association (ATA) met recently with Transportation Security Administration (TSA) Administrator John S. Pistole and received approval from TSA for testing of a new crewmember screening system. This enhanced identity and employment verification system for airline pilots will make airport checkpoint screening more efficient for all who depend on air transportation.

The system, which is jointly sponsored by ALPA and ATA, will tie airline employee databases together in a seamless way and enable TSA security officers to positively verify identity and employment status of crewmembers. In 2007, ALPA promoted to TSA the first version of an alternate screening method called the Crew Personnel Advanced Screening System (CrewPASS). CrewPASS has been used successfully at three East Coast airports for almost three years. This enhanced process leverages current technology to provide an effective and cost efficient solution.

“I look forward to the full national deployment of a known crewmember program at the earliest possible date,” said ALPA President Captain Lee Moak. “As professional airline pilots, we have been through employment checks; we have been fingerprinted; we have been through criminal background checks. We are the most highly screened employees in the aviation industry, and we are on the frontlines of our nation’s aviation security effort every day, empowered to help protect it. This enhanced process recognizes those facts by providing pilots with a technologically modern and highly efficient alternative to the traditional security screening process.”

“We are proud to partner with ALPA on this effort,” said ATA President Nicholas E. Calio. “Our nation’s airline pilots are highly skilled and trusted partners within our industry, and with this new system we can improve the screening system for flight crews while reducing congestion and improving the travel experience for passengers in TSA security lines.”

“Deploying an enhanced screening program for pilots in uniform that allows TSA to verify their employment and identity is a step in the right direction as TSA continues to explore more risk-based, intelligence-driven security solutions,” said TSA Administrator John S. Pistole. “We want to focus our limited resources on passenger screening, while speeding and enhancing the checkpoint experience for everyone.”

Any TSA-regulated U.S. airline that wishes to connect to this enhanced system will be able to do so, and any airline pilot employed by one of those carriers will be able to participate in the program.

Testing is projected to begin at a limited number of airports later this year. The tests will run for approximately 90 days and if successful will expand to additional U.S. airports.

Implementation of this system is the culmination of ongoing discussions precipitated by an earlier announcement by TSA to modify checkpoint screening procedures for crewmembers while an identity verification system was being developed.

Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union, representing nearly 53,000 pilots at 38 airlines in the United States and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at Alpa > About ALPA.

Annually, commercial aviation helps drive more than $1 trillion in U.S. economic activity and nearly 11 million U.S. jobs. ATA airline members and their affiliates transport more than 90 percent of all U.S. airline passenger and cargo traffic. For more information about the airline industry, visit Air Transport Association Home and follow us on Twitter @airlinesassn.

CONTACT:

ALPA Media, 703/481-4440 - [email protected]

ATA Media: 202-626-4141 - [email protected]

TSA Media: 571-227-2829 – [email protected]

Yes, I subscribe to a ton of government blast mails, and this one was just sent out. Here is the direct link for those that are skeptical.
TSA: Crewmember Identity Verification Program To Begin Testing

Oh BTW, where is SWAPA, CAPA, APA or IPA in this release? It is a government press release that states ALPA. If that does not mean anything to you, then I do not know what will.

Point is ALPA did this. That is your dues dollars at work.

I agree with you, but it's the federal government. If you set your expectations too high, you are going to be disappointed.

I think it's great CrewPass is moving forward. The only thing that frustrates me is that there will be a 90 day testing period. It's been tested for 3+ years already. Why does it have to be tested again? If they say it can be implemented quickly, why do we have to test more? Maybe I'm missing something? :confused:

Okay, so let's have a little of your wisdom here. I mean you have a very high opinion of yourself so why don't you enlighten the brainwashed. Tell me how to fix the world.

Exactly correct!

Carl

You do realize how funny it is one airline pilot accusing another of having a high opinion of oneself?




Back on subject: johnso- the way I read it, it looks like the test phase is for checking out the expanded implementation of devices that will be used to connect to the server instead of the alpa/tsa lappies. Heres to it being a rapid implementation afterward. Also, its funny the immediate "me too" that came from RA for the Delta stews.

It's also the singing for me - that makes for a complete package (maybe the big wallet too)...

Can you hold a puppy too, while you are performing?

You wait. Management will play this one to the max.
They will go all out to portray themselves as defenders of the flt attendants.
It wouldn't surprise me to see them cause some sort of delay in the implementation.
This is an easy, no-cost battle they can fight on behalf of the stews to show them they don't really need a union. Absolutely perfect opportunity to be benevolent. Delta management standing shoulder to shoulder along side the oppressed FAs for truth, justice and the American way.

"Trust us, girls. We've got your back. Who needs that useless, expensive AFA."

From what I heard they canned the vendor that was demanding the huge rollout costs for CrewPass that we were all debating about for the last year ("Who should pay for it"). New software was developed at a much lower cost...but because its new, the previous tests don't count.

Agree totally on your union take, but with the most complaints in 2010, and second from the bottom in 2011 not to mention the terrible on time rates, RA needs a unified policy for all crew members...it will not work well when the pilots can get there on time and the FAs are working their way through the security line.

So what's keeping him from going back to the line?

Seems to me that they are the smart ones.. they don't have to pay to bribe the gubbamint, yet they will be able to take advantage of this... all the while using their dues money for their immediate interests... Kind of like that guy that goes to the head of the line on the shoulder when traffic is backed up. You hate his ass, but he will be at home drinking a cold one long before you will.. so who's the smart one again?

They do all of the time.

He needs to get thicker skin then if he's gonna show up here....

This would be a chance for the AFA to prove that it can accomplish something useful for it's members. I doubt that they could do it, though...

Now that is spin!

They get the benefit because they are airline pilots. What would it say about ALPA to make this exclusive? ALPA getting this done show the benefit of our union its pull to all of the other independents. It took 10 year, all have tried and only ALPA working with the ATA and the DHS got this done. Great on them. It is our due dollars at work.

Stating that they need to be worried about something more important is so fricken typical. A few months ago people were screaming that ALPA needed to get this done to show true value. They have and now everyone is acting very ungrateful. It illustrates the biggest issue this union and this country face. (Its all about me)