aewanabe

Hello everyone,

Just a friendly heads-up; effective May 31 we are no longer able to have OAL crewmembers on our Cabin jumpseats. Cockpit procedures have not changed. Thanks JFK TSA

FlyerJosh

Exactly how does the TSA have jursidiction over that? Just curious...

GuppyPuppy

It was a TSA employee who was allowed to get on the cabin jumpseat recently that caused the FAA to finally pull the trigger. This guy apparently rode the jumpseat several times before the recent incident where the captain found out in mid-flight and returned to JFK to get him off. This was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Unfortunately it was a low wage gate agent who let him (and others) on the cabin jumpseat. The flight attendants and a few pilots have also been lax in verifying that the person riding the cabin jumpseats are actually qualified to be there. Many times the pilots don't even know about it because he gate agent never told them and the js rider never asked the captain for a ride. I truly believe that JB's lax attitude towards jumpseaters as well as the virtual stripping of captain's authority on such issues has led to the FAA rescinding of the cabin jumpseat use by anyone other than those with a valid JB CREW ID.

This is truly the unfortunate result of the cum-by-ah (sp?) experiment that JB has been playing with for over 11 years now. I was hoping that other airlines might follow shot in allowing OAL crew in an open cabin jumpseat, but I guess our new policy is identical to most airline's current policy.

GP

Fins Up

Looks like we screwed up a good thing. Don't know who it was and it doesn't matter anyway. I personally and sincerely apologize to all those who will now get left behind. Sorry folks.

scambo1

So let me see if I understand what your new policy is. You folks arent opening up your empty cabin seats to OAL pilots?

If thats the case, it is a massive bummer...thanks for the rides in the past.

Justdoinmyjob

Scambo,
You got it wrong. They used to allow OALs to sit in the actual cabin jumpseat. That is now verboten. Flowback, which is what you're thinking about, is still allowed.

GuppyPuppy

WRONG!!!

Cabin passenger seats will remain available to OAL crew. It is the cabin jumpseat (the extra flight attendant jumpseats) that will no longer be available to OAL crew. If an OAL crew asks for a jumpseat, they will get a passenger seat unless those are full. CASS qualified OAL pilots would then ride in the cockpit jumpseat.

Bottom line.....extra F/A jumpseats are only available to those who possess a valid JB CREW ID.

Sorry for the confusion.

GP

aewanabe

What Guppy Puppy said. Too many gate agents who think they are the "Captain" while the jet is parked, and frankly too many Captains whom just want to get along, be cool, and don't demand or use their FAR-given authority This has all been encouraged by the company culture over the years.

The thing that really gets me steamed is this TSA jag-off specifically told the agent that he was j/s authorized.

So on behalf of all of us here at Blue, sorry for screwing up a good thing. The difference is 1-3 seats per flight (190 vs. Airbus), but if I'm commuting I'll gladly move out of my cabin seat or the cockpit to help you guys out. It's also worthy to note that we allowed any JetBlue employee to ride the cabin j/s, and they are losing that privilege as well. Only JB Pilots, FAs, and DX now.

scambo1

WHEW!

filler

hockeypilot44

I personally think this TSA agent should be thrown in jail for trespassing.