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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1016364)
Very interesting gloopy and George.
And it'll be interesting to see the 321 rates. 757 replacement should be 757 pay, no? But I think as to pathetic A320 rates, something also needs to be done about paying 88 pilots $10 less for flying an airplane seating 149 passengers or the same number of passengers as the 320 and 20 seats more than the 319. At least the 160 seat 90 is only $5 less. :rolleyes: It's about time to combine airplanes together, 130-160 seaters as one? |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1016364)
Very interesting gloopy and George.
And it'll be interesting to see the 321 rates. 757 replacement should be 757 pay, no? But I think as to pathetic A320 rates, something also needs to be done about paying 88 pilots $10 less for flying an airplane seating 149 passengers or the same number of passengers as the 320 and 20 seats more than the 319. At least the 160 seat 90 is only $5 less. :rolleyes: It's about time to combine airplanes together, 130-160 seaters as one? BTW we will never see the C-Series... It's just too expensive for what it does. At about 22M (with the 50% discount) the C-Series is way to capital intensive per seat to fit with the fleet plan. Used MD90s are running about 10M all-in with the mods for 160 seats. Why would Delta buy airplanes that are twice as expensive and carry fewer people. With fewer seats all the fuel efficiencies of the new technology fuselage and GTF are soaked up. The real 120 seater DC-9 replacement is already in service and is available for a discount in the used markets, it's called a 717... With a first class we can make it work, without first, I'm afraid its way to costly/seat for a "discount" carrier... Oh, and the airline with the flower on the tail just got 3 more 717 from Boeing. FWIW Boeing has already stated they will not bid on our RFP... Cheers George |
Originally Posted by HIREME
(Post 1016354)
What if DAL says 35% increase and all you have to do is agree to replace the 50 seaters at the regional level with rj900's and 175's? Think dalpa stands firm on the limit of large rjs?
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Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1016382)
Amen!
BTW we will never see the C-Series... It's just too expensive for what it does. At about 22M (with the 50% discount) the C-Series is way to capital intensive per seat to fit with the fleet plan. Used MD90s are running about 10M all in with the mods for 160 seats. Why would Delta buy airplanes that are twice as expensive and carry fewer people. With fewer seats all the fuel efficiencies of the new technology fuselage and GTF are soaked up. The real 120 seater DC-9 replacement is already in service and is available for a discount in the used markets, it's called a 717... With a first class we can make it work, without firts I'm afraid its way to costly/seat for a "discount" carrier... Oh, and the airline with the flower on the tail just got 3 more 717 from Boeing. FWIW Boeing has already stated they will not bid on our RFP... Cheers George |
Originally Posted by volav8r1
(Post 1016381)
I would love to see this happen. We just need to be careful to build rock solid language into the contract about CERTIFIED seats. Republic has this in their contract, however; management has shrewdly pulled 1 seat out of the 190's to make it a 99 seat jet, thus paying the pilots the lower rate to fly the same plane.
Originally Posted by georgetg
(Post 1016382)
Amen!
BTW we will never see the C-Series... It's just too expensive for what it does. At about 22M (with the 50% discount) the C-Series is way to capital intensive per seat to fit with the fleet plan. Used MD90s are running about 10M all in with the mods for 160 seats. Why would Delta buy airplanes that are twice as expensive and carry fewer people. With fewer seats all the fuel efficiencies of the new technology fuselage and GTF are soaked up. The real 120 seater DC-9 replacement is already in service and is available for a discount in the used markets, it's called a 717... With a first class we can make it work, without firts I'm afraid its way to costly/seat for a "discount" carrier... Oh, and the airline with the flower on the tail just got 3 more 717 from Boeing. FWIW Boeing has already stated they will not bid on our RFP... Cheers George Maybe SWA/DAL have a deal in the works for 2013? Not to offend an AAI guys, I think if that was the case by that time most on the 717 will transition right over to the 737 and the F word would never be mentioned. But if DAL wants DC9 replacements then really the only legitimate replacement is a DC9. Not the 318. Nobody wants it. And 737-700 seems like a lot of bang for the buck but it's a lot of bucks it seems for the bang, if that makes any sense. Let me clarify all this banging for bucks, it's a hell of a 137 seat jet, can do a lot, great for some of our Latin American flying and such, but it's probably right now a lot of money for a 137 seater, no? |
Originally Posted by volav8r1
(Post 1016381)
I would love to see this happen. We just need to be careful to build rock solid language into the contract about CERTIFIED seats. Republic has this in their contract, however; management has shrewdly pulled 1 seat out of the 190's to make it a 99 seat jet, thus paying the pilots the lower rate to fly the same plane.
Certified seats is the key along with a max certified MTOW. Our Section 1 needs to have better language about what will happen when things go wrong and a set schedule for reviewing and fixing any scope violations. That language in 76-seat scope section about removing the seats is a good example of how to spell out the remedies... Cheers George |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1016385)
Yep, HI is buying them up and growing like gang busters. Looks like they will hire over 25% of their total list by early next year.
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Originally Posted by HIREME
(Post 1016354)
What if DAL says 35% increase and all you have to do is agree to replace the 50 seaters at the regional level with rj900's and 175's? Think dalpa stands firm on the limit of large rjs?
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
(Post 1016373)
I'm guessing you guys are just baiting an old guy like me, but it's Daltrey and Townsend...Get it right!:) Never understood why my mom didn't like me singing along to "Squeeze Box."
I'm holding out for the 757Neo/NG. Boeing could be making a killing if they had thought of that 2 years ago. They need to create a carbon 757 body and throw a 787 wing/engine on it and it would be perfect. |
Originally Posted by threeighteen
(Post 1016404)
You'll be waiting a long time. I want it just as bad as you do, but Boeing threw out the jig.
They need to create a carbon 757 body and throw a 787 wing/engine on it and it would be perfect. Boeing shutting down the 757 line was just one of the many poor decisions they've made over the last 7 years that will continue to hurt them. A stretched 737 cannot and will never replace a 757. Sad. :( |
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