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todd1200 07-17-2011 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1024087)
So a CFI is the only choice to gain flight experience? Come now. Since I've already listed them, this should be easy...name some different ways for a young pilot to gain experience.

I understand that management's propensity to outsource flying has largely invalidated the traditional view of regional airlines as a stepping stone to the majors. Changing that misconception would prove beneficial for the industry as a whole, as it would remove the primary motivation to endure the low wages and QOL that regionals offer. However, I believe the situation is similar to the "tragedy of the commons," in that while the very existence of regional airlines decreases demand for pilots at the majors, when majors do hire, they tend to hire a lot of regional pilots. I'd be interested to see how many regional pilots DAL hired in 2010, and how many of their new hires came from corporate or Part 135 backgrounds. I'm sure they hired a lot of military guys; however, military flying spots are exponentially harder to come by than regional jobs. If scope-hawks took over hiring at all the majors and absolutely refused to hire anyone that had ever flown an RJ, I'm guessing young, aspiring airline pilots would think twice about taking a job at a regional. I would be among the sacrificial lambs in such a scenario, which I don't believe would be feasible or ethical, but I'm not really sure what would discourage eager, young pilots from taking a job flying RJs.


Originally Posted by XSive (Post 1024064)
Very well put. Now let's get this thread back on topic, shall we? How long has this site been up? What phase are we currently in? Besides logging on to the website regularly how will we know what the date will be?

Thanks. The archives on the site go back to October 2010, but other than that I personally don't have a clue . A post on their Facebook page says "Phase II is advertising to pilots. We are in Phase II right now." For updates, you can add your email to their mailing list or subscribe to their RSS feed -- links for both are on their website.

Michigander 07-20-2011 04:58 AM

Hello
 
Hey everyone, I created an account just to respond to this thread. I think this Operation Orange is a bad idea. As a matter of fact, it's probably the worst idea I've ever heard of. I agree with the goal, however I do not agree with the strategy. How do you think the general public will view this when their annual family vacation gets screwed up because a bunch of largely unionized (union = bad in 2011) Airline Pilots (airline pilots = rich) decided not to fly? Its not going to end up the way you want it to, that's for sure. It could.....but I would say the chances of success are about 10% at best. If a crazy group could pull this off be prepared for mega-cabotage. Not this United/Aer Lingus testing the waters, *****footing, trying to gain leverage on their union stuff. No. With the support of the general public, most Republicans, some Democrats, all CEO's, and Fox news this will happen overnight. Think things can't get worse? Please. Non-stop DTW-MIA, ORD-LGA, ATL-MCO.....on Mexicana. I like the unity and I like a good plan as much as any other pilot, but find one that the public will support. I'm just trying to figure out if the CEO's are all in cahoots and thought this up cuz they would be the biggest winners. Are they this smart?

Old UCAL CA 07-20-2011 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by Michigander (Post 1025504)
...I'm just trying to figure out if the CEO's are all in cahoots and thought this up cuz they would be the biggest winners. Are they this smart?

Some are, some aren't.

However, you are. Good post.

skywatch 07-24-2011 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 1021463)
The goal is passage of the "Fair Treatment of Experienced Pilots Act of 2011" -- legislation that would ammend the RLA, introduce real fatigue mitigation regulations, and reform the collective bargaining process. Take the time to read the material before passing judgement on their efforts.

Back on track -

I would focus on the underpants. Seems more realistic.


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