Ok so I've been reading around here for quite a while and just can't hold my tongue any longer.

KC, are you sure your not a US East pilot? Are you advocating a DOH position on the CAL seniority list? On what planet does that sound remotely "fair" to the current pilots on the CAL seniority list?

Lets ask it this way: If we had never merged and you were recalled to UAL would you "expect" to be a 757 Captain in the most senior base? (note: this does not apply to the UAL voluntarily furloughs)

Liquid,

Please don't take KC as an indictment of the majority of UA pilots. I think the entire thing will wind up with relative position ranking and I do believe the majority of the pilots understand the process. KC has shown evidence in his post that he may not have ALL the facts.

Good luck to all of us in the upcoming process.

L

Lowest seniority number
 

Anyone happen to know the seniority number of the first furloughed guy from UAL (i.e. first one to be called back)? Trying to figure out where I fall into this mess.

Actually you are wrong. They are getting years of service at UAL credit at cal pay rates. So they minor 3% b fund conribution difference is more then made up for with the much higher pay rates.

This is wrong as well. After dec 31st the company OR ALPO can cancel this without the others concurrence. Not a joint concurrence.

I have, care to quote the section referring this a recall? I've got it open right now?

KC

Now before you go leaping over the cliff my friend...Where do you see a reference to a United pilot being recalled in the following?

7-B. Job Opportunities.
(i) If either Continental or United intends to hire new Pilots, it will first offer employment to fill such positions in seniority order to Pilots on furlough from the other Airline. Acceptance or rejection of such an offer or failure to qualify will not affect a Pilot’s recall rights or placement on the Integrated Seniority List (which shall be based upon his seniority position at the Pilot’s originating Airline). A Pilot accepting an offer under this provision will be subject to the normal background and employment requirements of the employing Airline. The Pilot will be an employee of the employing Airline, within the applicable ALPA council for that Airline, but will not be required to serve or complete a probation period. Such Pilot will be paid the greater of (1) the actual hourly pay rate he was receiving on the date of his furlough, or (2) the hourly pay rate to which his years of service at the employing Airline otherwise entitles.
(ii) No Pilot shall be entitled to more than two (2) offers of employment pursuant to this Section 7-B. If a Pilot declines the first offer, the employing Airline will not contact him for a second offer until he provides at least thirty (30) days notice to the employing Airline in writing of his desire to re-enter the hiring process. At that time he will be eligible for the next available offer in seniority order.
(iii) Pilots employed pursuant to this Section 7-B will exercise seniority for all purposes at the employing Airline in the seniority order of their originating Airline but junior to all Pilots who were on the seniority list of the employing Airline prior to the Merger Agreement Date. Upon implementation of the ISL Pilots will exercise seniority pursuant to their position on the ISL. All Pilots hired by the employing Airline after the Merger Agreement Date who are not Pilots employed pursuant to this Section 7-B will exercise their seniority for all purposes junior to all Pilots who were on either seniority list prior to the Merger Agreement Date.
(iv) Notwithstanding Section 27, Part 2.A.2, B.2 or C.2 of the Continental CBA, all Pilots on either the United Pilots’ or Continental Pilots’ Seniority List as of the Effective Date of this Agreement employed by Continental shall be eligible for Medical, Dental and Vision Plan coverage on the Pilot’s first day of Active Service.

Now for chits and giggles, ask yourself how can anyone be recalled to CAL seniority list if they weren't on that list to begin with? Because they can't be. As KC pointed out it's an offer for employment with certain terms agreed upon.

So stop listening to the union ;) (They're the only one talking about recall) and keep reading...

Liquid-
Heaven's no, and I think you are reading too far into my post. What I'm worried is that the way the UAL MEC is selling this will be used against us during the actual SLI. We are not being recalled and we are not back on the property, not in any legal or practical way. We're cheering an outcome that puts us stapled on the bottom. If, when the final arbitration language comes, absolutely NO reference is made to this event, I will gladly concede and buy rounds for all.

Thor and all-
Now if I've been raining on anybody's celebration, I am sorry, I've been furloughed too often to know that sometimes any job is better than none. With that said, I remain disgusted that this would in any way be seen as parity for what has been lost. I KNOW that most of us understand this and do not mean to offend anyone's common sense. However, maybe just after 12 years of hanging around this place I'm just tired of cheering for consolation prizes while the core issues continue to go on unchanged. If that doesn't make me very fun at times, fair enough, but I'm just calling a spade a spade. I still hold some hope of eventually having a career at the new combined UCH, not another job opportunity. That is all that matters to me at this point.

Peace-

KC

Actually, that is contrary to the answer from the UAL MEC on the issue of pay. Last fall the exact question was brought to the UAL MEC Furlough Coordinator, who in turn asked the MEC for an answer.

The answer was given on the old MEC Forum; it was NO. The pilot would get pre-furlough pay, or CAL pay rates at the years of service with CAL.

It was not clear then, and for what it is worth, that was the answer that was given...

SP

Send Todd an email. He keeps a list and can tell you.

SP