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Old 07-23-2011 | 01:05 PM
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Old 07-23-2011 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CFM56
Word is that she lost control and flipped out. Ranting over A/C PA and to passengers in terminal. Our union is behaving in the same manner unfortunately, only instead of a PA they're using USA Today.
Do you have any facts whatsoever to support this claim, or did you not have enough paper to push in your cubicle today?

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Old 07-23-2011 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CFM56
Word is that she lost control and flipped out. Ranting over A/C PA and to passengers in terminal. Our union is behaving in the same manner unfortunately, only instead of a PA they're using USA Today.
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Do you have any facts whatsoever to support this claim, or did you not have enough paper to push in your cubicle today?

Carl
I don't know what actually happened, but I can vouch for CFM about USA Today. I couldn't believe it when I flip to page 5B and saw the full page ad (which looked basically like a simple ASAP report)! Needless to say, I'm sure it got the attention of MANY people.
Old 07-23-2011 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Do you have any facts whatsoever to support this claim, or did you not have enough paper to push in your cubicle today?

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Ummm. It's Saturday. No cubicle, the view isn't as good as a cockpit, but I have a peekaboo view of the water past the trees. Big picture windows and a nice reclining leather chair. Short walk down to Starbucks too
Old 07-24-2011 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CFM56
Ummm. It's Saturday. No cubicle, the view isn't as good as a cockpit, but I have a peekaboo view of the water past the trees. Big picture windows and a nice reclining leather chair. Short walk down to Starbucks too
OK. I'll take that as a NO then when I asked you whether you had any facts to back up what you said below:

Originally Posted by CFM56
Word is that she lost control and flipped out. Ranting over A/C PA and to passengers in terminal.
When you make these kinds of baseless accusations against an airline pilot, it makes you sound like a jealous wannabe pilot. We've got enough of those here as it is.

Wise up please.

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Old 07-24-2011 | 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
OK. I'll take that as a NO then when I asked you whether you had any facts to back up what you said below:



When you make these kinds of baseless accusations against an airline pilot, it makes you sound like a jealous wannabe pilot. We've got enough of those here as it is.

Wise up please.

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Flight crew brought the airplane back to the gate with a problem, refused it after what looks like a pencil whip by maintenance . Second crew refused the aircraft, finally a third crew took it after maintenance had done more work. Looks to me like the potential is there for a mechanic(s) to get a violation.
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30-year A330 CA? At Airways?
Old 07-24-2011 | 05:17 AM
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lidarheadache, escorted from the airport is shorthand for fired. It's that kind of workplace. Why do you think Capt. Sullenberger got the hell out at his first opportunity?

Truth is, there are fewer and fewer competent mechanics. Most are just parts changers and paycheck cashers. Your mileage may vary.
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Very sad. The Captain has every right to refuse an airplane for mechanical issues. When I was a Captain in my other life, I refused a few due to them being broken. Can't imagine being fired for trying to keep the public safe.
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And USAirways Response:


July 22, 2011

Dear Fellow Employees,

By now some of you may have seen an advertisement in today’s USA Today paid for by our pilots’ union, USAPA. As you know, USAPA has been embroiled in an intra-union seniority dispute for several years and is also working to negotiate a joint contract. Those efforts have been severely complicated and delayed by their inability to resolve the seniority dispute, and because of this dispute, USAPA has embarked upon a smear campaign that in reality is all about contract negotiations, not safety. Today’s move is simply the latest in a series of misguided efforts to put pressure on the Company as part of those negotiations, and while we are disappointed that USAPA has chosen to use safety as a negotiating tactic, I can tell you unequivocally the union’s claims are outlandish, false and a disservice to the 32,000 hard-working employees of US Airways.

Safety has been and always will be the top priority at US Airways, as it is at any airline. On the specific issue that the advertisement focuses on, I’d note that USAPA’s account is highly inaccurate and its claims about the aircraft in question were wrong – it flew that day and performed flawlessly, and has done the same ever since.

Simply put, our safety facts stand for themselves:

* US Airways has just passed the International Air Transport Association’s highest worldwide standard for safety and security – the IOSA audit – with flying colors. This audit, the airline industry gold standard for safety, shows that we are in compliance in every safety area.

* Our safety team also knows how well we are doing on all safety measurements. Our Flight Safety Index, which measures how we’re doing in all areas, is at the highest level in the history of the company. Aircraft damages are 50% better than industry average, and deferred maintenance items are at an all-time low.

* The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has cited US Airways as the model for other airlines to follow with our significant investment of time and resources into the voluntary Safety Management System (SMS) program. We are one of only two airlines to implement SMS in every area of the airline. We also are the first U.S. airline to have our SMS program validated by the International Civil Aviation Organization.

That exemplary record is due to you – the 32,000 outstanding aviation professionals of US Airways who put safety first every day. Please keep that focus and don’t be dissuaded by the misguided and outdated negotiating tactics of a labor union. We will continue to work with USAPA to get to a joint contract, but as they well know, they must resolve their internal seniority dispute before that can happen. We are attempting to facilitate that effort, but expect it will take some more time. In the meantime you will likely hear more defamatory and baseless language from USAPA, but please consider the source and keep doing your jobs in the exceptionally professional and safe manner that you always have.

We have a great team of aviation professionals at US Airways and I am proud to work with you. Thank you very much for all you do and please keep up the great work.

and...

July 22, 2011

Earlier today we issued a communication related to an ad by the pilot’s union, USAPA, that ran in USA Today. We also felt that the following statement by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), regarding the incident mentioned in the ad, would be informative for employees:

The FAA manager assigned to the US Airways certificate reviewed the June 16, 2011 incident. The APU shutdown the aircraft experienced is a failure that pilots are well aware can happen and that they are trained to recognize. The battery apparently was depleted by attempts to restart the APU. Flying an aircraft with an inoperative APU is not an unusual event and normally poses no safety issues when proper limitations are applied. The Captain simply chose to exercise her pilot-in-command authority of not accepting an aircraft. Our information indicates that US Airways followed their approved MEL procedures, and all maintenance procedures were followed in accordance with the operator’s approved maintenance program. We found no violations of Federal Aviation Regulations.


They REALLY should have stopped while they were "ahead". I'm not familiar with the A330 ETOPS requirements, but I'm assuming the APU is one of them? If so, then NICE JOB posting to the entire world that you have NO IDEA what equipment you need to dispatch for an ETOPS leg.

Second, BRILLIANT stating that the Captain was simply exercising her pilot-in-command authority of not accepting an airplane..... and then escorting her from the airport and docking her 3 weeks pay.

Looks like your geniuses are almost as smart as our geniuses
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