BUSTED check ride(s)
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The more responses you give Ed the more he will post. He's just looking to ruffle some feathers.
As for the original post... I definitely agree that you should be able to get hired, but as an interviewer your situation would concern me. I don't want this to come across as rude, but I think that its important to take off the rose-colored glasses. Many people have failed checkrides, but it seems like you've got a trend going. Maybe on top of figuring out how to discuss your situation in the interview you could also look at finding a way to improve to practical test taking ability, and then also mention that in the interview.
The fact that you admit it is your problem and don't blame the Examiner says a lot about you already. Good Luck!
As for the original post... I definitely agree that you should be able to get hired, but as an interviewer your situation would concern me. I don't want this to come across as rude, but I think that its important to take off the rose-colored glasses. Many people have failed checkrides, but it seems like you've got a trend going. Maybe on top of figuring out how to discuss your situation in the interview you could also look at finding a way to improve to practical test taking ability, and then also mention that in the interview.
The fact that you admit it is your problem and don't blame the Examiner says a lot about you already. Good Luck!
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You can count on having to address this; the how do you do in a training environment question is pretty standard. If I were doing the interviewing I'd ask about your over all training record ie did you bust checkrides starting at the Private Pilot level, or if you're in the military did you just get by and get SPDBd at every stage. I'd be trying to identify if it is new equipment that causes the problems, instrument flying deficiencies, lack of initial preparation etc.
My antennae would be up, but I wouldn't pull the plug at your revelation, but how you answer these particular questions would be critical. Training liabilities are dreaded at the airlines and you've got to convince them you don't fall in that category.
They're looking for the total package so emphasize all things attitudinal. Namely even though you had discouraging results you didn't give up and that you'll hang in there until the last dog dies.
If there's a sim eval involved they can get their answers regarding your aeronautical abilities there.
My antennae would be up, but I wouldn't pull the plug at your revelation, but how you answer these particular questions would be critical. Training liabilities are dreaded at the airlines and you've got to convince them you don't fall in that category.
They're looking for the total package so emphasize all things attitudinal. Namely even though you had discouraging results you didn't give up and that you'll hang in there until the last dog dies.
If there's a sim eval involved they can get their answers regarding your aeronautical abilities there.
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May I translate? The brutal truth is that your checkride skills are substandard. Sometimes the truth is difficult to hear. If anybody takes issue with my assessment then I guess our friend here represents the norm. Didn't think so!
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Oh Mr. Ed,
His checkride skills are "not up to par" is crap, were you there when he took the checkrides?? Were you there to see if he has "checkrideits", or how about if he had some anal examiners. I don't think so!!!!
Shove the money to flight standards and you'll never fail. Go take a ride from a real examiner and see how you do.
I have failed three myself however, I learned what to do and have established an excellent track record since. So what is my "diagnoses?"
You are in no shoes to determine "crap". By your "diagnoses" your medical abilities must "suck". Getting sued lately, must be if your curious about airline jobs even though you say you're retired. Well I think I stirred the sh$$ pot now, let the coments fly......LOL
Again, to the original question. Companies will ask you to explain the checkrides, as long as you can build up a good track record all should be good. Every company knows examiners can be tough at times, anyone can have a bad day.
With three of them you could say the answer I used was,
"I felt the training in relation to the checkride(s) to be pretty substandard, however I did not give up I took the checkride(s) did the best to my ability however the result was a dissaproval notice, retrained and passed on the second attempt. I learned that I had to be more aggresive on studying not only knowledge but profilies and manuevers. I've taken those measures since then I've been successful and have not failed since."
Again, explaining the situation but also accepting responsibility and being honest.
His checkride skills are "not up to par" is crap, were you there when he took the checkrides?? Were you there to see if he has "checkrideits", or how about if he had some anal examiners. I don't think so!!!!
Shove the money to flight standards and you'll never fail. Go take a ride from a real examiner and see how you do.
I have failed three myself however, I learned what to do and have established an excellent track record since. So what is my "diagnoses?"
You are in no shoes to determine "crap". By your "diagnoses" your medical abilities must "suck". Getting sued lately, must be if your curious about airline jobs even though you say you're retired. Well I think I stirred the sh$$ pot now, let the coments fly......LOL
Again, to the original question. Companies will ask you to explain the checkrides, as long as you can build up a good track record all should be good. Every company knows examiners can be tough at times, anyone can have a bad day.
With three of them you could say the answer I used was,
"I felt the training in relation to the checkride(s) to be pretty substandard, however I did not give up I took the checkride(s) did the best to my ability however the result was a dissaproval notice, retrained and passed on the second attempt. I learned that I had to be more aggresive on studying not only knowledge but profilies and manuevers. I've taken those measures since then I've been successful and have not failed since."
Again, explaining the situation but also accepting responsibility and being honest.
Last edited by Freightcowboy; 10-04-2006 at 02:53 PM.
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Thanks to all of those with constructive suggestions.
For all of those who did not, and I would never mention any names {CallmeEd, Orion}. I would have to offer a few suggestions of my own. The purpose of posts on sites like this one, is to put something of relevancy to the thread. That sounds pretty novice and straight forward. Hmmmm.
And neither of you could do that. Wow! Though I may not have passed all of my checkrides, I can surely follow simple instructions.
Yes Ed, that does include you. Since you seem to have forgotten my initial question, you may want to have yourself examined for A.D.D., short term memory loss, or Alzheimer's. In addition to that, I guess you also forgot the title of this forum. I am sure you have a forum or two dedicated to your profession. And like this one, I am sure your antics would be just as unwelcomed there. Also, aren't doctors and airplanes a bad mix? Ah yes. The Bonanza I believe was known as the doctor killer. Just because you have money, do three bounces every 90 days, and get a check ride once a year by some high profile training center, that far from makes you a qualified pilot.
Though I may not have passed all of my checkrides, I have passed all of my PCs, OEs, fed rides, never had an incident/accident, never had problem with anyone I worked with, plus I run a very safe airplane. Yes, I did mention all of this in my first posting, but you probably forgot that also. And most important, never do I bring attitude or ego into the workplace/airplane. You should check out that program sometime.
For all of those who did not, and I would never mention any names {CallmeEd, Orion}. I would have to offer a few suggestions of my own. The purpose of posts on sites like this one, is to put something of relevancy to the thread. That sounds pretty novice and straight forward. Hmmmm.
And neither of you could do that. Wow! Though I may not have passed all of my checkrides, I can surely follow simple instructions. Yes Ed, that does include you. Since you seem to have forgotten my initial question, you may want to have yourself examined for A.D.D., short term memory loss, or Alzheimer's. In addition to that, I guess you also forgot the title of this forum. I am sure you have a forum or two dedicated to your profession. And like this one, I am sure your antics would be just as unwelcomed there. Also, aren't doctors and airplanes a bad mix? Ah yes. The Bonanza I believe was known as the doctor killer. Just because you have money, do three bounces every 90 days, and get a check ride once a year by some high profile training center, that far from makes you a qualified pilot.
Though I may not have passed all of my checkrides, I have passed all of my PCs, OEs, fed rides, never had an incident/accident, never had problem with anyone I worked with, plus I run a very safe airplane. Yes, I did mention all of this in my first posting, but you probably forgot that also. And most important, never do I bring attitude or ego into the workplace/airplane. You should check out that program sometime.
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