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SVA402 09-28-2011 11:47 AM

AA to La Paz
 
Any AA folks on here fly to La Paz, Bolivia? Interested in going down and wondering what your current policies are regarding offline J/S to South America and if there are weight restriction issues or anything like that. Thanks!

upndsky 09-28-2011 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by SVA402 (Post 1061524)
Any AA folks on here fly to La Paz, Bolivia? Interested in going down and wondering what your current policies are regarding offline J/S to South America and if there are weight restriction issues or anything like that. Thanks!

Who do you fly for? AA has a very limited international J/S reciprocal list.

RI830 09-28-2011 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by upndsky (Post 1061593)
Who do you fly for? AA has a very limited international J/S reciprocal list.

If your referring to the "Jumpseat"....AA/Eagle do not allow jumpseaters .
Now you can ID-90/ZED fare your heart out.

upndsky 09-29-2011 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by RI830 (Post 1061725)
If your referring to the "Jumpseat"....AA/Eagle do not allow jumpseaters .
Now you can ID-90/ZED fare your heart out.

If you're referring to the physical cockpit jumpseat, you're correct. However, most airlines will allow pilots to use their jumpseat privileges to occupy an empty seat in the cabin.

With AA on international flights, that courtesy is only extended to a very limited number of airlines. If you're not on their international jumpseat list, AA will not take you even if there are 100 seats open in the back. This is unlike DL, UA, CO, US, etc. who will allow you to "jumpseat" in a passenger seat on an international flight.

So, the short answer is if you fly for an airline that's not on AA's international jumpseat list, the only way you'll be able to get on an AA international flight is to buy a ticket or an ID90/Zed fare.

SVA402 09-29-2011 08:00 AM

Yeah, that's what I had heard about AA. I fly for Omni and we have reciprocal jumpseats with them but I wasn't sure what their international policy was. As far as I know AA is the only US carrier to fly to La Paz. If cabin jumpseats are unavailable I will look into other options.

On another note, do you fly for DL? I read recently that TSA has lifted the cockpit jumpseat restrictions internationally. Does Delta allow offline jumpseaters in the cockpit on international flights now?

upndsky 09-29-2011 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by SVA402 (Post 1061981)
Yeah, that's what I had heard about AA. I fly for Omni and we have reciprocal jumpseats with them but I wasn't sure what their international policy was. As far as I know AA is the only US carrier to fly to La Paz. If cabin jumpseats are unavailable I will look into other options.

On another note, do you fly for DL? I read recently that TSA has lifted the cockpit jumpseat restrictions internationally. Does Delta allow offline jumpseaters in the cockpit on international flights now?

I used to do jumpseat stuff at a previous airline and I don't recall seeing Omni on the AA International list. While I'm not actively involved anymore, I'm pretty sure that hasn't changed. Looks like you'll be buying Zed fares.

Regarding Delta and int'l cockpit jumpseating, not yet. The TSA has given the go ahead in principle, but there are still some technical issues that need to be addressed with regards to being able to verify a pilot's eligibility. I think TSA wants something a little more than CASS, or at least CASS with restrictions. It would also require a change to our Flight Ops Manual. BTW, these are issues to apply to all airlines, not just DL. As far as I know, no airline has yet made the technical and policy changes to allow this. I'm sure it's a low priority item, but it will come... eventually.

xjtguy 09-29-2011 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by upndsky (Post 1062034)
Regarding Delta and int'l cockpit jumpseating, not yet. The TSA has given the go ahead in principle, but there are still some technical issues that need to be addressed with regards to being able to verify a pilot's eligibility. I think TSA wants something a little more than CASS, or at least CASS with restrictions. It would also require a change to our Flight Ops Manual. BTW, these are issues to apply to all airlines, not just DL. As far as I know, no airline has yet made the technical and policy changes to allow this. I'm sure it's a low priority item, but it will come... eventually.

True, just because the TSA has approved it, it'll probably be quite a while before it trickles down and falls into place.

As far as the bolded part goes, it's true, for the PAX and leading freight carriers as far as being restricted. Many of the ACMI'S (that are also considered airlines) are fully capable of taking a JS'er international without the restrictions the passenger carriers have in place.

aa73 09-29-2011 03:48 PM

I am embarrassed and ashamed to inform you that Omni Air Int'l is unfortunately not on our int'l j/s list.

I really, really sincerely hope this is fixed with the next contract and we align ourselves with the rest of the industry. Our VP Flight has alluded to that several times over the past year.

Good luck getting down there, man. On behalf of the professional pilots of AA, who have been trying like crazy to get this changed - I'm truly sorry.

SVA402 09-29-2011 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 1062205)
I am embarrassed and ashamed to inform you that Omni Air Int'l is unfortunately not on our int'l j/s list.

I really, really sincerely hope this is fixed with the next contract and we align ourselves with the rest of the industry. Our VP Flight has alluded to that several times over the past year.

Good luck getting down there, man. On behalf of the professional pilots of AA, who have been trying like crazy to get this changed - I'm truly sorry.

Hey I really appreciate that. No worries, I know it's not your fault. I'll look into zed fares or something. If ya'll ever need a ride, please come on down! (not that we go too many places of interest, but still)

cornbeef007 09-29-2011 10:06 PM

Your pretty much set with any carrier, other then AA. Just plan around AA and you will be fine, even AirCanada is awesome.


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