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SVA402 10-15-2011 08:40 AM

TSA Known Crewmember Program
 
I just read that this program still requires a pilot to be in uniform to go through. So what's the long-term plan if you aren't? Do you have to go wait in line and not jump ahead at all? Is there anything that we can do about this? I'm including a poll to see how many people travel out of uniform fairly regularly...

maddogmax 10-15-2011 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by SVA402 (Post 1070040)
I just read that this program still requires a pilot to be in uniform to go through. So what's the long-term plan if you aren't? Do you have to go wait in line and not jump ahead at all? Is there anything that we can do about this? I'm including a poll to see how many people travel out of uniform fairly regularly...

Bottom line. If you are not in uniform you are a passenger and subject to the same rules as they are. You can use the employee line but are subject to the same restrictions such as liquids, gels etc. Just curious, What would you like to "do about this"

SVA402 10-15-2011 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 1070059)
Bottom line. If you are not in uniform you are a passenger and subject to the same rules as they are. You can use the employee line but are subject to the same restrictions such as liquids, gels etc. Just curious, What would you like to "do about this"

That's what I figured. I have yet to figure out what a uniform has to do with anything... And that was my question, anyone have any ideas? Why didn't ALPA push for that part of the program too?

contrails 10-15-2011 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 1070059)
Bottom line. If you are not in uniform you are a passenger and subject to the same rules as they are. You can use the employee line but are subject to the same restrictions such as liquids, gels etc. Just curious, What would you like to "do about this"

Introduce logic into it, that's what.

But Known Crewmember with uniform is a better first step than no option, for now.

Gomerglideslope 10-15-2011 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by SVA402 (Post 1070060)

....... Why didn't ALPA push for that part of the program too?


Not sure what you are asking here...do you think pilots should be able to utilize KCM or jump to the front of the line when not working?

nwaf16dude 10-15-2011 10:00 AM

I hate commuting in uniform, but I've given up. It's just too hard to commute in civies.

SVA402 10-15-2011 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope (Post 1070067)
Not sure what you are asking here...do you think pilots should be able to utilize KCM or jump to the front of the line when not working?

Utilize KCM. It should be based on whether or not you have an ID and are in cass, not how you are dressed. An example might be if I wanted to go meet a family member at their gate but the line is an hour long. Or deadheading to an assignment via a purchased ticket if your company doesn't require a uniform for that, etc...

shiznit 10-15-2011 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by SVA402 (Post 1070075)
Utilize KCM. It should be based on whether or not you have an ID and are in cass, not how you are dressed. An example might be if I wanted to go meet a family member at their gate but the line is an hour long. Or deadheading to an assignment via a purchased ticket if your company doesn't require a uniform for that, etc...

As of now, TSA guidelines state that the pilot MUST be in uniform, hopefully we can get that changed in the future.....

Please don't push this at a checkpoint, all it will do is jeopardize the future usefulness of the program.

Regular LEO's don't have to travel in uniform to bypass security!

usmc-sgt 10-15-2011 10:22 AM

The way I look at it is that I wear my uniform typically for a four day trip for multiple legs. Me wearing it to DHD or jumpseat or non rev is no big deal...whats the difference, I wear it all the time anyway.

The second way I look at it is to simply play the game. If the rules of the game state that to use KCM I have to be in uniform then fine.

nomgnar 10-15-2011 10:48 AM

I'd rather have them move the line to a more desirable location. ie at ORD, if you are going through the AA side, you have to walk pretty far to go through. When at times, the regular employee line is actually quicker.


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