Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1082207)
What about Virgin America and an F9 combo?
Do you think Richard Branson could afford to purchase unsold tickets on both VA and F9? |
Originally Posted by jayme
(Post 1082222)
You mean like to get around the foreign investment/ownership laws? You should tell the feds about that. Interresting that a Delta line pilot would be privy to something like that, though. Or is this just some wild, unsubstantiated romour?
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1082207)
What about Virgin America and an F9 combo?
Do you think Richard Branson could afford to purchase unsold tickets on both VA and F9? However savvy a businessman he is, this is just beer money to him. He knows he can't take it with him and playing with airplanes and spaceships in the US is his number one fantasy. |
Originally Posted by jayme
(Post 1082222)
You mean like to get around the foreign investment/ownership laws? You should tell the feds about that. Interresting that a Delta line pilot would be privy to something like that, though. Or is this just some wild, unsubstantiated romour?
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Originally Posted by jayme
(Post 1082222)
You mean like to get around the foreign investment/ownership laws? You should tell the feds about that. Interresting that a Delta line pilot would be privy to something like that, though. Or is this just some wild, unsubstantiated romour?
BTW, it is interesting but not unreasonable, remember Delta line pilots are pretty damn smart. ;) |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1081911)
I could see B6 or VX for a quick way to expand their market share without adding any additional real capacity.
As far as Frontier, I agree it would be a good acquisition for JetBlue, however, there is a reason they lost 100+ million recently, the premium revenue just does not exist in their markets that JetBlue desires. Why go up against UCal and WN when they have a dominant position in the region. The real Tie-Up that would make sense for JetBlue growth and dominance in the NewYork, Caribbean and Latin American expansion would be for B6 to buy Spirit. Upgrade Spirits product and gain a dominant position in East Coast business market as well as International Growth, that is where the revenue is. |
Originally Posted by jayme
(Post 1082222)
You mean like to get around the foreign investment/ownership laws? You should tell the feds about that. Interresting that a Delta line pilot would be privy to something like that, though. Or is this just some wild, unsubstantiated romour?
Thats funny. Could it be that youre just jealous of VX and the fact that "this Delta pilot" will be pulling gear for the next 18 years?? Seriously just get over yourself my friend. Branson couldnt give a donkey terd less about a busted down, out of touch F9 operation..... or buying a failing US airline. All he has to do is watch inept airline CEO'S run their prospective operations into BK and exiting from the business. And it costs him zero. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1081911)
I could see B6 or VX for a quick way to expand their market share without adding any additional real capacity. We are a lot closer to shedding capacity then adding it, so I don't think they are in the cards for us.
The fun starts when Jerry Atkin's hand (and ego) is forced by the evolving regional sector. My bet is unless SWA caves on scope or USAir/AA is broken up somehow in SKYW's favor, he will try an IndyAir as by then he will have close to a billion in the bank. They will bleed out eventually and fade away, but it will be a rough few years for the industry to fend off yet another fare/yield trashing start up with several times more cash on day one than any start up in history. Also SkyWest less than $500M COH not $1B since we've purchased XJT who’s bleeding money, invested millions in Asia for a startup operating CR9's with ASA pilots, millions more in Brazil with Trip Airlines and lent United something like $129M. Jerry and friends are too smart to attempt a move on Frontier; they'd rather play overseas where the money's better with less competition and maintain their FFD contracts domestically. |
As I posted on another thread, this is not a "sale" of Frontier Airlines.
Bedford and the RAH BoD are looking for an initial investor to put down $100 million or so as the majority owner of the airline. The other minority owners will be RAH and the Frontier Pilots. They will then IPO Frontier just like Spirit IPO'd last year. After the IPO, all bets are off. The potential multiple here for PE is huge. Look at the Luftansa/JB deal. Luftansa plunked down more than $300 million in exchange for 20% ownership. At Frontier the price of admission will be $100 million in exchange for 50+% ownership. In the grand scheme of things, $100 million is NOTHING in the PE world. When you look at the potential return on investment, you will see a few of the familiar faces lining up for this opportunity. |
Originally Posted by XDriverX
(Post 1082746)
Thats funny. Could it be that youre just jealous of VX and the fact that "this Delta pilot" will be pulling gear for the next 18 years?? Seriously just get over yourself my friend. Branson couldnt give a donkey terd less about a busted down, out of touch F9 operation..... or buying a failing US airline. All he has to do is watch inept airline CEO'S run their prospective operations into BK and exiting from the business. And it costs him zero.
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