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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1085394)

The DURATION section is absurd (2 contracts or 10 years, whichever is LONGER). AMR has already proven they can stall for a half decade when it suits their interests and could conceivably go another 5 years if it was in their best interest. Work rules and pay scales would therefore be the LAST virtually EVERY current AA pilot would see due to their ages. No more bargaining and the ability to regain anything lost should UAL and DAL be more successful in their efforts due to the threat of bankruptcy absent. However, that's unlikely if this becomes reality, for it's certain to drag them downward as well.

Is all this a coincidence ?

I think not.

Nope, no coincidence. All the majors belong to AIR Conference - Airline Industrial Relations Conference, and have basically formed a cartel to work together on restraining any major increases in labor costs. No airline CEO wants to be the guy who has to face his cohorts at the Conquistadors Club meeting after giving a good deal to any labor group and starting a string of upward pattern bargained CBAs.

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1085441)

Sounds like AMR already has a merger planned. Perhaps that's the reason for the sudden rush ?

The CP contains a provision that modify seniority merger provisons to comply with McCaskill-Bond legislation so they can just do a merger and not worry it will fail due to seniority disagreements throwing that into binding arbitration (although some consider arbitration non-binding).

I highly suspect the same thing. If they can get you to agree to this garbage, I suspect that parts of LCC and B6 will be your new family.

Just so we all agree, a B scale is not lower pay on jets below 125 seat, a B scale is lower pay for performing the same job on the same jet that someone under the same CBA is getting paid more to do.

Latest rumor around B6 has B6 taken over AAIs gates and doing JFK/BOS-DFW

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Originally Posted by Martin404 (Post 1085499)

Latest rumor around B6 has B6 taken over AAIs gates and doing JFK/BOS-DFW

AAI does JFK?

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1085526)

AAI does JFK?

DFW gates.

Don't give up scope, don't pull up the ladder. I have no desire to drive an RJ for the rest of my career, I don't mind paying my dues as long is there is something worth paying for in the end.

Ensuring these aircraft are at mainline goes further towards job security for mainline pilots than any pay raise which can be slashed in BK.

There is no reason a 100 seat airplane with first class flying DFW-BOS should not be operated by a mainline crew, that is not a regional route.

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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton (Post 1085399)

Typical pilot willing to screw over those junior to him for a raise.

Eric, I don't think you read enough here if you think aa73 is a "typical pilot." I think he has his pier's respect... both in the cockpit and on this forum. I would kindly suggest a little decorum before typing so quickly.

From one aviator to another....

Josephus

AAI has to stop DFW service due to wright amendment restrictions. Don't know if they've pulled out yet.

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Originally Posted by Martin404 (Post 1085528)

DFW gates.

Yeah that I could see. JB has already committed to growth and needs places for it to go. There is only so much "innovative" growth in the Caribbean and Central/South America JB can do before they have to start adding US cities again. I predict several over the next couple years including DFW, ATL and either MSP or DTW among others.

That doesn't mean those cities will come easy, or even that they will ever be profitable, but they will be added anyway because the growth has to go somewhere.