Jetblue Announces DFW Service From BOS
 

it just gets better does it not? Lets see what else does AA have that B6 can have without any competition from AA?

All Things Travel: JetBlue To Begin Service From Boston To Dallas CBS Boston

That will make my commute easier if I ever get hired. Not I just need a phone call. C'mn on B6....no whammy's!!!

Airtran out, JetBlue in.

Open a new domicile for the 320 and not know what type of flying it is going to do. Have 17 RON a/c every night and you can't have pilots based there? BOS has been a crew base to Usair, NWA, Delta, AA, and alot more. Seems to me that Delta could figure a way to make it work.

There is no money in BOS. That's why JB is doing so poorly there and shrinking rapidly. There is also no money anywhere along the west coast, anything under 150 seats or anything cargo related. Soon SWA will start flying to Hawaii and there will be no money there either. All your outsource are belong to us.

Very nicely done.

That is why we are adding flights to Boston. Flawed logic is I have ever heard it.

I think he may have been being sarcastic...:confused:

There is no sarcasm here on APC. All posts are of factual information from credable sources. This Thread on a go forward basis is no longer sustainable. Effective imediately due to the poor economy and harsh competition with other forums all punctuation will no longer be permited... ;)

Thank you, I'll be here all week.


Is this thing on?


But come on, is it really necessary to add a ";)" or a ":rolleyes:" to everything in order to indicate sarcasm?

BOS is an awesome market that DL has surrendered with the weakest of fights and even in times of billion dollar profits all around they still pretend its a much smaller market than it really is. JB, with the direct help of failed DL management decisions (and a little help from AA and USAir in that regards too) has handed a high volume, great yield, almost recession proof crown jewel to JB on a platinum platter and let them walk away with the Red Sox sponsorship just to rub salt into it. DL could absolutely own BOS with a little effort but would rather "make money" by outsourcing gates to Continental and giving a pretend "non revenue" code share partner ground handling priority as thanks for taking the entire west coast off our hands because they choose not to compete there either.

I agree 100%. The only good thing Leo the CEO did was to build a new terminal in BOS...but then Delta ran away from it?!?

When I was a newb, (1985) Delta flew five L10-11's a day out of Boston to Orlando, all full, all the time. Also, full L10-11's BOS-PBI, FLL, MIA. in the 90's I remember flying FULL 767-300's BOS to YUL all summer, full 727's, then 757's BOS-BGR and PWM, all summer, taking kids up there for summer camps. And we flew 767's from BOS-SLC, and 757's from BOS-DFW, and BOS-TPA.

Right now, Delta flys 2 flights per day, BOS-MCO. One is an 88, the other an A320 or 737, depending on which day.

I ran into a Marketing guy once about 5 years back and asked him WHY did we get out of the Boston to Florida market. He said, "Those passengers are Low Yeild Leisure Travelers. They are familys going on vacation, they only buy the cheapest tickets, they don't buy full fare first class seats."

I replied, "You mean to tell me there are NO Business men trying to fly from Boston to Florida?"

He said, "Yeah, there might be a few, but they buy coach seats and use their frequent flyer miles to upgrade to F/C, there's no money in it."

I said, "You may want to tell Air Tran and Jet Blue about that."

I remember when we had 10 full 737's a day flying MCO-BOS on Express, then after Leo got rid of Express, we had 5 full Song 757's (199 seat configuration, no first class but free TV) flying MCO-BOS. Full all the time, and they got rid of it, said it wasn't making money... So who's fault is that??

Raise the Friggn'n ticket prices you IDOTS!

Delta considers BOS-DFW to be a regional route. :mad:

Delta considers ANYWHERE to DFW a regional route.

Everywhere else is a route that could be better served by Aeroflot, Aeromexico, Air Europa, Air France, Alaska, Alitalia, China Airlines, China Eastern, China Southern, Czech Airlines, GOL, Kenya Airways, KLM,Korean Air,
TAROM, or, Vietnam Airlines.

Doesn't Delta consider ANYWHERE to ANYWHERE a regional route?

Especially if it's out of MSP or CVG.

When Delta closed Boston in 1996, I only bid into ATL so I could fly the inargural ATL to ATL route.

That's the one where you push late, then taxi for an hour, take off, have a mx issue, the same one you were late pushing for, then dump gas and return...

This is where our marketing team is dropping the ball big time. Going after HVC's is great and we need to do that. But you can not run an airline off of just HVC's. You can, however, run an extremely successful airline off of nothing but coach and leisure passengers. That is the critical part of this we are missing on VA Ave.

We have to be able to compete and win the low fare, leisure passenger. If for any other reason than when times get tough, less business/high yield people fly and many of those that still do suddenly become fare sensitive coach passengers that will only upgrade with miles. We need to focus on competing and winning every passenger because when times get tough (they are already and will get far tougher) we need every passenger we can get. The failed late 90's internet bubble mentality of a first class full of high rollers paying for the whole flight and the back half full of expedia loss leaders sitting with their knees in their faces isn't going to cut it anymore.

Our marketing neglegence and strategic blunders coupled with JB's superior coach product (IFE and especially legroom) are why we aren't winning Boston when we very easily could slug it out and dominate if we so chose.

AmEx Black card slinging power players come and go but fare sensitive coach passengers are the vast majority of your customer base and always will be. Marginalize them at your peril.

Or MEM. Or any domestic out of JFK. Most domestic out of DTW. And any point to point flying like ORF-BOS or DCA-almost anywhere.

Sad thing is, according to Delta's website, almost 10% of their aircraft are RJs. Looking at the numbers, those are just the ones DELTA is responsible for as far as payments go, which means that's just Comair. Airframes flown by Pinnacle, Mesaba, ASA, Chautauqua, GoJets, Compass, Shuttle America or Skywest aren't even counted....

And from the un-aviation-educated perspective, there's no difference. Walk on a CRJ-700 or -900 or big ERJ and what's the first thing you see? First Class. Who would have thought we'd have RJ's running around with First cabins on nearly three hour routes?

Let's just hope other companies do what jetBlue and US do and keep 190s at the mainline level. That's a start to bringing 170s/CR7s back to mainline. Will it happen? Doubtful. Nice thought though.

Delta's numbers are old. That percentage is currently down to 8% and at the rate Delta is giving away Comair airplanes it will be 5% by summer.

To put it into perspective, Delta would have to park 230 mainline aircraft to keep Comair at the 8% mark.

The 90 seat give away will be the first thing management brings to the new Legacy contract negotiations. And guess what? They'll get it!!!

*sniff, sniff* Someone smell smoke?

Only for those of us that ride the short bus.

DALPA already gave up tons of 90 seaters. The company all along wanted them to be 76 seaters with a first class so DALPA pretended to "limit" them to 76 seats, but they are 90 seaters.

It should be a very high priority in C2012 to sharply and quickly reduce the allowed outsourcing of anything over 50 seats and then phase out all remaining in a reasonable timeframe.

Its hard enough to win customers and marketshare as it is. In a protracted stagflation malaise economy (which our own CEO is very concerned about and specifically mentioned recently) we as a pilot group can not afford to outsource hundreds of DC-9-10 replacement jets to off list ACMI operators without getting spanked hard as a group when things get tough.

Only what for who that rides the what?

You'll get no argument from me that Comair is getting hosed on the Delta Connection train, however, if you look at the fleet totals from all the DCI carriers, it's a GOOD percentage of Delta flying now. Numbers are from here: Delta Connection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I know it's Wikipedia, but a quick glance around and some asking shows those numbers are pretty close. Total comes out to 558 regional jets in the Delta system if you count everything from a 200 to a E175. I do since it's all contracted out to someone other than mainline. According to Delta's website, they've got 716 airplanes under the mainline banner. Total the two together, and that's 1274 planes. Remember, it's not just a "bigger" airline, but a "better" airline according to the ads. However, 44% of that flying is outsourced....

That's the first time I've been accused of flame baiting. Lol! Thank you. Those guys started it.