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Originally Posted by FlyZ
(Post 1098657)
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I agree. I'm just wondering if this can be implemented unilaterally by the company without us (pilots) even agreeing. I was hoping one of those Section 1 terms I prioritized in the contract survey would at least require us to approve. Alter ego flying, or something like that. If its that easy to step around our Section 1, all Delta needs is a strong partner in each market and they can literally become a ticket broker. As in zero mainline flights. I must be slow in coming to this realization! |
I have NO iron in this fire.... but without some strong controls on the ATL - Brazil legs... I see little good coming from this. I understand DAL wants access to the inter Brazil market, something they can't do by just adding frequency to Brazil, but I just hope its not a total one way street.
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Originally Posted by HercDriver130
(Post 1098666)
I have NO iron in this fire.... but without some strong controls on the ATL - Brazil legs... I see little good coming from this. I understand DAL wants access to the inter Brazil market, something they can't do by just adding frequency to Brazil, but I just hope its not a total one way street.
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1098814)
GOL has 2 767s. 2. And they are transferring control of them to Delta. The only thing they have left is 737s. I guess they can fly 737s between the US and Brazil, but that defeats the whole purpose. This is set up much like the Virgin Blue deal. They fly domestically, (cabotage anybody?) within Brazil and feed our international flights. More pax on DL metal means more frequencies, which means more crews needed.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1098824)
V Australia also has 21 weekly frequencies between the US and Australia.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1098824)
V Australia also has 21 weekly frequencies between the US and Australia.
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1098814)
GOL has 2 767s. 2. And they are transferring control of them to Delta. The only thing they have left is 737s. I guess they can fly 737s between the US and Brazil, but that defeats the whole purpose. This is set up much like the Virgin Blue deal. They fly domestically, (cabotage anybody?) within Brazil and feed our international flights. More pax on DL metal means more frequencies, which means more crews needed.
If they are 200s, will we fly them? TEN |
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1098828)
The Virgin Blue deal is different than the V Australia deal.
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V Australia, Pacific Blue Rebranded As Virgin Australia
7 December, 2011 by Martin Kelly | No comments One of Australia's biggest rebranding exercises got underway today with V Australia and Pacific Blue shedding their old names. They are now known as Virgin Australia, the brand under which the airline group's domestic arm has been operating for some time. The rebrand also includes a single, consolidated website. Meanwhile, Virgin Australia group of airlines has unveiled a new brand and livery for its joint venture with the Government of Samoa, Polynesian Blue, which will now be called Virgin Samoa. The company has also changed its trading name Virgin Blue Holdings Limited (ASX:VBA) to Virgin Australia Holdings Limited (ASX:VAH). The new ASX code went live today. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FWIW, this happened two days ago Both V Blue and V Australia are now Virgin Australia. Its all one big happy family over there guys and gals. Virgin Australia | Flights, holidays, hotels & cars |
Virgin Australia History
2000 Virgin Blue’s first flight was DJ214 from Brisbane to Sydney on 31 August 2000. The airline had one route, two aircraft, and a dedicated team of just 200 people. 2001 14 new routes were launched, expanding to a true national domestic network. We welcomed our millionth Guest onboard in June 2001. 2002 Nine new routes launched. Patrick Corporation acquired a 50 per cent share in Virgin Blue Airlines. 2003 Launch of Virgin Blue’s holiday arm, Blue Holidays Virgin Blue Holdings floated on the Australian Stock Exchange, December 2003. Patrick Corporation invested a further $137m at the time of the Initial Public Offering. 2004 Launch of Pacific Blue, a New Zealand-based leisure-focussed international airline offering flights between Australia, New Zealand, the Cook Islands, Fiji, Tonga and Vanuatu. 2005 Launch of Polynesian Blue in partnership with the Government of Samoa to launch. The first flight departed Auckland for Apia of 30 October. Virgin Blue became first Australian airline to offer an online Web Check-In service. Virgin Blue’s 50th aircraft went into service. Launch of our loyalty program Velocity Rewards. Patrick acquired a further 17 per cent of Virgin Blue for $346m, giving it a controlling 62.4 per cent stake in the company. 2006 Toll Holdings acquired Patrick Corporation and therefore took a controlling 63 per cent shareholding in Virgin Blue. 2007 Plans to establish a long haul international airline, V Australia, announced. Virgin Blue launched Australia’s first government-certified airline Carbon Offset Program. Pacific Blue launched domestic services in New Zealand. 2008 Launch of Virgin Blue’s Premium Economy product. Toll divested its controlling stake in Virgin Blue Holdings, making Sir Richard Branson’s Virgin Group the largest single shareholder at that time, with 25.5 per cent. 2009 V Australia’s inaugural flight from Sydney to Los Angeles (February) and Brisbane to Los Angeles (April). Virgin Blue lodged application with the US DoT and Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) to operate a Trans-Pacific joint venture with Delta Air Lines Inc. (The ACCC authorised the joint venture for five years on 10 December 2009. We await US DoT approval.) 2010 Appointment of John Borghetti as the new Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director, effective May 8, 2010. Virgin Blue became the first Australian airline to offer remote check-in via your mobile, called “Check-Mate!” Virgin Blue Group of Airlines and Air New Zealand seek regulatory approval to create a trans-Tasman alliance. (Final approval was received from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission and the New Zealand Ministry of Transport in December 2010.) Virgin Blue awarded Best Low-Cost Airline (Australia/Pacific), in the 2010 Skytrax World Airline Awards - the fourth time Virgin Blue won the award, also winning it in 2002, 2004 and 2008. New business strategy - the Game Change program – announced. Comprehensive partnership with Etihad Airways announced, including plans for V Australia to commence flights between Sydney and Abu Dhabi in 2011. Announced the introduction of a total of four Airbus A330-200 aircraft to the Virgin Blue fleet to operate Australian trans-continental routes. Two scheduled for delivery in May 2011 and two for early 2012. 2011 V Australia launches new services between Sydney and Abu Dhabi Implementation of comprehensive partnership with Etihad and Trans-Tasman alliance with Air New Zealand. New uniforms designed by Juli Grbac are launched Luke Mangan inspired new menu options are revealed A330 Coast to Coast Business Class is announced and goes on sale Australia's first Lounge Premium Entry and Premium Valet at Sydney Airport opens Virgin Australia is announced as the company’s new name New lounges open in Melbourne and Brisbane Virgin Australia Airlines and Delta Air Lines received final approval for their trans-Pacific alliance Virgin Australia and Singapore Airlines signed a landmark agreement to establish a long-term alliance Virgin Australia launches new Velocity frequent flyer program ATR-72 aircraft enter into service on key regional routes Virgin Australia Business Class goes on sale across the domestic network Our international airlines, Pacific Blue and V Australia, adopt Virgin Australia brand |
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