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Airfix 12-30-2011 08:54 AM

American B Scale - Really?
 
According to an article in the Nov 28th 2011 Aviationweek - "History Repeats" - Page 19 - it appears American may be considering a B Scale.

The article is about how legacy airlines 10 years ago started Low Cost Carriers such as Song and Ted and how history may be repeating. Sorry I don't have a link to the full article but the relevant text regard AA is below:


American Airlines, meanwhile is choosing a different tactic. While details are still sparse, it appears the airline is contemplating a sizeable fleet of Airbus A319s operated within the mainline network but crewed by pilots working with different pay rates and work rules than their mainline colleagues. The payoff, says American, is the retention of a stringent scope clause that will guarantee it does not follow Delta and United into outsourcing large segments of its domestic network.

It is too early to say if either concept will work, although American's pilots are not completely adverse to the idea so long as the A319 fleet remains small and under the auspices of their mainline contract. But it appears we are again witnessing an experiment with LCC in North America; maybe this time it will bear fruit.
What are the insider rumors about this?

Airfix

chuck416 12-30-2011 08:58 AM

If this is the best they've got.....I mean, really, WHAT DO they teach those guys in Harvard Business school these days???

Blackbird 12-30-2011 09:05 AM

They teach them to outsource everything.

P-3Bubba 12-30-2011 09:13 AM

They offered a B scale for E190's to mainline in their final offer before bnkrpt. All the majors will offer this in their new contracts. For 90-100 seat mainline aircraft. It will happen. Cheap labor in new hires less issues with closing out 50 seats and no worries with adding 76 seats because now they have 90-100.

SlickMachine 12-30-2011 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by chuck416:1109592
If this is the best they've got.....I mean, really, WHAT DO they teach those guys in Harvard Business school these days???

1.Make near-term adjustments to reflect positively on the bottom line, despite long term viability of said adjustments.
2. Extract maximum amount of cash and incentives without drawing criminal investigation or negative media attention.
3. Punch out in 5 years with platinum parachute while holding up middle finger and driving out of HQ parking lot.
4. Start your investment firm.

What did I miss?

Readback 12-30-2011 09:30 AM

Song was flown by Delta mainline pilots under mainline pay and work rules.

The writer was probably thinking of Delta Express which was flown by Delta pilots with different pay and work rules. The concept was well received initially, but eventually, negotiating capital was used to eliminate it. Definitely a "win, win" for the company.

Airfix 12-30-2011 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Readback (Post 1109608)
Song was flown by Delta mainline pilots under mainline pay and work rules.

The writer was probably thinking of Delta Express which was flown by Delta pilots with different pay and work rules. The concept was well received initially, but eventually, negotiating capital was used to eliminate it. Definitely a "win, win" for the company.

The context is not apparent from my quote but he was referring to Song as being a LCC run by mainline pilots under mainline pay and work rules and says that American is looking at a different approach i.e. the B scale.

I hadn't heard about Delta Express before. When did that happen?

love2av8 12-30-2011 09:45 AM

Well one list is one of the many rumors flying around at Eagle. Jumpseated on AA last week and they weren't opposed to the idea either. I don't k ow if our management is smart enough to take that route though.

SoCalGuy 12-30-2011 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by Airfix (Post 1109611)
I hadn't heard about Delta Express before. When did that happen?

Amazing what Google brings up......
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Delta Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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STINKY 12-30-2011 10:02 AM

I have heard similar rumor with comair being the B scale for delta with the 100 seat.


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