Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major
American B Scale - Really? >

American B Scale - Really?

Search

Notices
Major Legacy, National, and LCC

American B Scale - Really?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-30-2011 | 08:54 AM
  #1  
Airfix's Avatar
Thread Starter
Line Holder
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 244
Likes: 1
Default American B Scale - Really?

According to an article in the Nov 28th 2011 Aviationweek - "History Repeats" - Page 19 - it appears American may be considering a B Scale.

The article is about how legacy airlines 10 years ago started Low Cost Carriers such as Song and Ted and how history may be repeating. Sorry I don't have a link to the full article but the relevant text regard AA is below:

American Airlines, meanwhile is choosing a different tactic. While details are still sparse, it appears the airline is contemplating a sizeable fleet of Airbus A319s operated within the mainline network but crewed by pilots working with different pay rates and work rules than their mainline colleagues. The payoff, says American, is the retention of a stringent scope clause that will guarantee it does not follow Delta and United into outsourcing large segments of its domestic network.

It is too early to say if either concept will work, although American's pilots are not completely adverse to the idea so long as the A319 fleet remains small and under the auspices of their mainline contract. But it appears we are again witnessing an experiment with LCC in North America; maybe this time it will bear fruit.
What are the insider rumors about this?

Airfix
Reply
Old 12-30-2011 | 08:58 AM
  #2  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 588
Likes: 0
From: A-320/A
Default

If this is the best they've got.....I mean, really, WHAT DO they teach those guys in Harvard Business school these days???
Reply
Old 12-30-2011 | 09:05 AM
  #3  
Blackbird's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 250
Likes: 0
From: Captain 737
Default

They teach them to outsource everything.
Reply
Old 12-30-2011 | 09:13 AM
  #4  
P-3Bubba's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,140
Likes: 83
From: P-3C
Default

They offered a B scale for E190's to mainline in their final offer before bnkrpt. All the majors will offer this in their new contracts. For 90-100 seat mainline aircraft. It will happen. Cheap labor in new hires less issues with closing out 50 seats and no worries with adding 76 seats because now they have 90-100.
Reply
Old 12-30-2011 | 09:21 AM
  #5  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 181
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by chuck416:1109592
If this is the best they've got.....I mean, really, WHAT DO they teach those guys in Harvard Business school these days???
1.Make near-term adjustments to reflect positively on the bottom line, despite long term viability of said adjustments.
2. Extract maximum amount of cash and incentives without drawing criminal investigation or negative media attention.
3. Punch out in 5 years with platinum parachute while holding up middle finger and driving out of HQ parking lot.
4. Start your investment firm.

What did I miss?
Reply
Old 12-30-2011 | 09:30 AM
  #6  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 166
Likes: 0
Default

Song was flown by Delta mainline pilots under mainline pay and work rules.

The writer was probably thinking of Delta Express which was flown by Delta pilots with different pay and work rules. The concept was well received initially, but eventually, negotiating capital was used to eliminate it. Definitely a "win, win" for the company.
Reply
Old 12-30-2011 | 09:36 AM
  #7  
Airfix's Avatar
Thread Starter
Line Holder
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 244
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by Readback
Song was flown by Delta mainline pilots under mainline pay and work rules.

The writer was probably thinking of Delta Express which was flown by Delta pilots with different pay and work rules. The concept was well received initially, but eventually, negotiating capital was used to eliminate it. Definitely a "win, win" for the company.
The context is not apparent from my quote but he was referring to Song as being a LCC run by mainline pilots under mainline pay and work rules and says that American is looking at a different approach i.e. the B scale.

I hadn't heard about Delta Express before. When did that happen?

Last edited by Airfix; 12-30-2011 at 09:38 AM. Reason: spelling typo
Reply
Old 12-30-2011 | 09:45 AM
  #8  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 332
Likes: 0
Default

Well one list is one of the many rumors flying around at Eagle. Jumpseated on AA last week and they weren't opposed to the idea either. I don't k ow if our management is smart enough to take that route though.
Reply
Old 12-30-2011 | 09:46 AM
  #9  
SoCalGuy's Avatar
Keep Calm Chive ON
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,086
Likes: 0
From: Boeing's Plastic Jet Button Pusher - 787
Default

Originally Posted by Airfix
I hadn't heard about Delta Express before. When did that happen?
Amazing what Google brings up......
B737-200's.....The 'real' thing.
Delta Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Photos: McDonnell Douglas MD-88 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Photos: Boeing 737-232/Adv Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Reply
Old 12-30-2011 | 10:02 AM
  #10  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 229
Likes: 0
From: CRJ FO
Default

I have heard similar rumor with comair being the B scale for delta with the 100 seat.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Flea Bite
Major
10
05-15-2015 01:19 PM
Bucking Bar
Major
5
06-14-2011 11:02 AM
shiznit
Major
0
12-23-2010 04:49 PM
Flyby1206
Major
13
07-02-2008 08:56 AM
Freight Dog
Major
0
04-28-2005 07:04 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices