Latest at Hawaiian?
 

Anyone know whats the latest news at Hawaiian and when the next class is?

Thanks
JJ527

.........Bueller?.............Bueller?.......

All quiet on the Hawaiian front, I guess...no news is usually good news. Awesome to hear that Hawaiian is opening a Maui hub. Are they also looking to open a crew base in OGG?

The last group was 67 new hires, if I remember right. Is that all the hiring that's going to happen in the foreseeable future?

from what I understand, they are hiring crews for each new airplane that arrive on property. I'm not sure of the exact timeline for the 330's arriving in HI

4 more in the first half of 12'

Does anyone have a guess as to when the application window will open again?

New headline:
JetBlue, Hawaiian Airlines ink partnership deal - Hawaii News - Honolulu Star-Advertiser

Just submitted my app and resume. I have the mins but just barely. What quals and numbers were people getting hired with in the latest rounds?

Just submitted your app to who? I don't see a Pilot/FO position posted on either JetBlue or Hawaiian websites. Did I miss a really small window?

Yeah, that window wasn't open very long. Does anyone on the inside have any idea when it will open again? Any predictions on hiring needs for this and next year?

Thanks.

I hope ya'll don't get the Hat Party....HR appears to still have the Upper Hand at Pilot Selection. As for the mins? The connections are more important than skill, per say. BTW Didn't HA ALPA send out a memo asking the older guys to look out for the newer ones? Some never flew outside the Islands before....

ive had my app in for a while (a year and a 1/2?). have multiple ohana pilots. born and raised, currently 121 but just barely over the mins... haven't heard anything. although i wouldn't expect to with the mins...

New bid came out, 14 more slots due to the Maui hub.

Met a fairly senior HA captain in Maui a month or so ago going through security and he made a comment that there were a lot of rumors going around about an Alaska/Hawaiian merger/aquisition. I really don't see this being in the AK business model of a single fleet and moving/growing at a snails pace and sticking to a conservative mindset. It does make a little sense to try to control seats to/from the islands if LUV starts service anytime soon. Thoughts, comments, smart remarks welcome

Could you please elaborate? Does this mean an additional 14 new-hires or are they opening a Maui base of 14 pilots?

Any idea if/when they will have the next new-hire class for the additional aircraft deliveries later this year?

Thanks.

Adding 2 'Bus captains. Losing 2 76 captains, 7 more 76 f/o's.
Adding 3 captain's & 4 f/o's on the 717. No Maui base, just more flying through there. No word on when hiring/classes run again.

I have a $50 bet with about a dozen guys that this will happen...

mookie

Alaska seems to be filling their seats on their own. I don't see Hawaiian adding much to that.

Just got a memo from CP and union. New hiring mins. raised from 1500 TT. to 2500 TT

Just curious if anyone at Hawaiian has heard ANYthing about a possible merge / buyout by DL? Seems pretty far fetched to me...then again, maybe that's why I'm slinging gear rather than running the show

Recent hiring rumors at HA?

Thanks!

no rumors here regarding a buyout/merger with anyone. we have all accepted that fact that it is inevitable, but we are not looking forward to it.

regarding our hiring status, hr/pilot division do a poor job keeping us informed. if i were to take a wild guess, we would hire 5-8 every other month, indefinitely. no advisory on application windows either.

sorry for the lack of info/updates, but it is what it is.

Yea, I've been hearing rumors around the DL/CPS mill about a possible merge between DL and HA to gain presence in the pacific since SWA and Allegiant are entering the mainland - HI market. Seemed really far fetched, hence why I wanted to ask if anyone on your side has heard rumblings about it. It may have started when a HA A330 showed up at the DL hangar in MSP for heavy checks a few months ago.

Any thoughts on how to stand out / make connections? I only know 1 ex-HA pilot, and he's been retired for 10 years.

Hey Hawaiian Dudes:cool:,

How hard is it to jumpseat from PHX to HNL. Lots of commuters or leisure types? There are some SEA to HNL deadheads in our schedules for next month that look good, but if I did them I'd want to just go over from PHX. However, I don't want to bid one if it's a PITA to get over from here.

Thanks,
Ferd

Just saw you guys signed a MOU for maybe some A321neos.

Yep. Direct 767 replacements? Hawaiian signs MOU for 16 A321neos

I imagine 'ole Boeing is smarting from whatever BK deal they did with HAL back yonder..... doubt they thought they were setting HAL to become an Airbus only company.....

I'll be curious to see how the A321neo as spec-ed out performs between the West Coast and Hawaii. Our management at US was taking a hard look at the airplane as a B757 replacement but reportedly felt it was dicey on making PHX to Hawaii consistently with seasonal winds.

Im willing to bet HA has some sort of guarantee that it will have the range for HNL-west coast as advertised, or else they will be able to back out of the purchase down the road.

I think the A330's were the 767 replacements. But actually, I dont think either one is a "direct" replacement. The A330 is better for slightly longer flights, and the A321neo is better for slightly shorter flights (or slightly smaller loads). So its more of a fleet optimization, if you will.

...and, of course, fleet growth.

A regular A321 with the big motors and aux tanks can do Hawaii to the west coast no problem as long as the airports aren't performance limited (like PHX). They do coast to coast trans-cons all day without problems and those are just as long of flights.

So I'd think a neo with the sharklets should be a pretty safe bet.

It floats. Particularly if the tanks are empty.

Per the press release: "At 146-feet-long, the A321neo will seat approximately 190 passengers in a two-class configuration (First and Coach) and has a range of 3,650 nautical miles."

The current era 321's will do trans cons all day long as long as there are no winds and no alternates required. Throw in some winds or an alternate and you're stopping for fuel. It's great for flights about the length of the NYC-Florida markets, but anything longer than that, it is POS.

Now, put some NEO's on it and some sharklets and I think you have a viable trans-con and Hawaii west coast airplane.

I'm really curious, too about those numbers on the 321 NEO. When I flew the 757 we had many 6 hour plus days out to the islands, 7 hours a few times to LIH. Now I know HI is just doing west coast routes but that's pushing it for a 321. Also, you are limited to FL 320 for a while going out so heavy. There may be congestion on the tracks with a bunch of 321s sitting down so low. The 757s and 767s and the larger jets can all go a lot higher.

Curious to see how the 321 NEO compares performance-wise to the straight 321...

Agreed. Hopefully it can go high too though.

I'm pretty positive HA just bought some without doing any actual research...... :rolleyes: Especially crossing the Pacific... Probably not a concern from an operational standpoint....:eek:

If you mean alot higher as in Fl36-390...then sure I guess.

It will do what they bought it to do. The one interesting point is that the airplane will have to be ETOPS certified right out of the box....with new motors! Not sure if these are completely new engines or if they're derivitives...

I think the main purpose of these aircraft will be to compete and take back some of the market from Alaska. They've been increasing their direct service to the smaller airports in Hawaii, avoiding the major hubs. They do this in ETOPS certified 738s.

HAL can't compete with ASA using a 767 or A332, so I think the 321 NEO will probably be used just for that - direct thin, secondary-to-secondary Hawaii routes.

But as others have mentioned, I'm not sure the A321 is the best option. I know it is the NEO version, so we won't know until it gets closer to firming the design, but I don't think it will be able to do what the 738 does. ASA makes flap 25 takeoffs out of some of the tighter spots with very short runways - don't know if the 321 can pull that off, I believe it is a bit of a hog at the higher weights.

And as someone already mentioned, the NEO will have geared fans, which is a new technology that throws another very possible failure spot in the power plant department. I remember a stat that said the biggest failure contributor in a Cessna Caravan is the gearbox. I know it does not compare to a jet, but some of that does transfer over, especially for a new unproved design.

So I can't see ETOPS approval being that quick. Then again, after the whole 787 debacle, I'm not too impressed by the FAA's oversight.