Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Major (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/)
-   -   WN/FL merger not going as planned, eh? (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/66645-wn-fl-merger-not-going-planned-eh.html)

LeineLodge 04-13-2012 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1168612)
I see your charts, shoelu, and raise you this (along with the pile of flights that you can't codeshare... and that yall are still way down in the pack regardless of what chart you choose):



Sweet Jesus. That video should be the lead-in for the next episode of Aviation Disasters.

I remember when people dressed up to fly. :rolleyes: It's sad what commercial aviation has been reduced to.

ibriveadus 04-13-2012 06:57 AM

That was EXTREMLY PAINFUL to watch

DAWGS 04-13-2012 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1168612)
I see your charts, shoelu, and raise you this (along with the pile of flights that you can't codeshare... and that yall are still way down in the pack regardless of what chart you choose):


I have never flown on Southwest. Is that normal? Yikes. They definitely aren't catering to the business traveler. I don't know who they are trying to attract with that rendition. Howling dogs come to mind....I was actually waiting for the hecklers.

As far as DL IT, I think they have come a long way since pre-merger. It is sad we codeshare with ease, however IT alone couldn't achieve success in our merger without all departments. Everyone did a great job, most especially flight ops. :D

FIIGMO 04-13-2012 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by shoelu (Post 1168609)
I guess indeed it is all relative. We are definitely not by any stretch of the imagination leading the pack, but considering the fact that we do not charge for checked baggage you have to agree we probably carry more checked bags per passenger as compared to carry ons versus airlines that charge for checked bags.

Analyzing Data about Lost Baggage: It’s All Relative (Frequency) Monday, August 29, 2011 by Patrick Runkel

Notice the larger airlines now fare much better. For example, US Airways was in the bottom 5 for mishandled baggage based solely on frequency counts (top chart). But taking into account passenger volume (bottom chart) it’s now in the top 5, with one of the lowest rates of mishandled baggage for the month.You might think it’s an obvious point, yet misleading charts of frequency counts are very common in newspapers and magazines, especially in the ubiquitous “top 10” and “top 5” lists.


https://cdn2.content.compendiumblog....318/layout.jpg


Shoe,

When SWA drops all the bag fees from AT that are so good for the bottom line (hence the double standard) we can have an apples to apples comparison. SWA cant spin this one the right way unless Clark Howard is still in the other bathroom stall next to Kelly.:D

tsquare 04-13-2012 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1168729)
Shoe,

When SWA drops all the bag fees from AT that are so good for the bottom line (hence the double standard) we can have an apples to apples comparison. SWA cant spin this one the right way unless Clark Howard is still in the other bathroom stall next to Kelly.:D

Or the other way around.... they will start charging, it is a matter of time. When was the last time anybody saw a "Bags Fly Free" ad? Or, as someone said earlier, they can make up the difference on volume. :rolleyes:

OscartheGrouch 04-13-2012 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by DAWGS (Post 1168726)
I have never flown on Southwest. Is that normal? Yikes. They definitely aren't catering to the business traveler. I don't know who they are trying to attract with that rendition. Howling dogs come to mind....I was actually waiting for the hecklers.

As far as DL IT, I think they have come a long way since pre-merger. It is sad we codeshare with ease, however IT alone couldn't achieve success in our merger without all departments. Everyone did a great job, most especially flight ops. :D

I am not sure if she purposely sang like that in order to be funny or if that is her real voice.:eek: Doesn't matter though because that was pretty painful. What I don't get is why anyone would encourage her by applauding. Sure Mom and Dad might applaud when they are children but by now she should realize she has NO talent. I will certainly tell her myself if I ever hear something like that. I might not be very diplomatic either.

The Oscar

paxhauler85 04-13-2012 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1168612)
I see your charts, shoelu, and raise you this (along with the pile of flights that you can't codeshare... and that yall are still way down in the pack regardless of what chart you choose):


You're right, I'd rather have a crabby old ***** walk by once, offer me 2 oz of coke and spend the rest of the flight sitting in the last row eating a first class meal and reading magazines.

Suddenly, singing seems like a small price to pay for proper in-flight service.

TeddyKGB 04-13-2012 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1168225)
Southwest shifting some Atlanta service back to AirTran *| ajc.com

By Kelly Yamanouchi
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Southwest Airlines’ transition of AirTran Airways flights into Southwest service hasn't been all smooth sailing since the merger last year.

The gradual conversion of AirTran's large Atlanta operation is bringing Southwest some unusual challenges and in the latest round of ongoing flight changes, the airline is temporarily shifting some Southwest flights in Atlanta back to AirTran service.

The flights being shifted back to AirTran include service from Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport to Los Angeles, Chicago Midway, Phoenix, Denver and Las Vegas.

Part of the delay is due to rebranding -- repainting exteriors and redesigning interiors -- of AirTran’s fleet to the Southwest design. The first converted AirTran plane will be available for service this month, with several more expected each month.

And the carrier still lacks the capability to connect travelers between AirTran and Southwest flights, limiting its ability to fill Southwest flights with AirTran customers. and vice versa. Though the carriers had hoped to have connection capability by the first quarter of this year, it is now not expected until 2013.

Southwest spokesman Chris Mainz said the company is "looking at the networks and trying to offer the best possible schedule for each. In some cases, until we get to a point a little bit further down the road, it makes sense to transfer some of that flying from Southwest to AirTran."

All told, Southwest will operate 30 flights from Atlanta this fall, while AirTran will operate 163.

"It's just a terrible dilemma they find themselves in after not coming to grips with that IT [information technology] problem," said Port Washington, N.Y.-based airline consultant Bob Mann. "I would think that's just got to be a critically important issue to solve right now."

In markets outside of AirTran's main hub in Atlanta, Southwest's takeover of AirTran routes is proceeding as planned, as Southwest gradually converts more AirTran planes.

"It sounds to me like they're just doing what they can with the limitations," Mann said.

Complicating the situation further isAirTran’s hub in Atlanta, which allows it to fill many of its flights with connecting passengers. Southwest, which is more of a point-to-point carrier, eventually plans to dismantle the hub, which will require an entirely different business model once Southwest's transition is complete. .

Mainz said AirTran has "a very large and smooth running operation in Atlanta and that will continue to be important throughout this integration. For the foreseeable future, AirTran will have a significant presence in Atlanta."

Sniffle Sniffle, Boo-Hoo. Where is my mini violin?

johnso29 04-13-2012 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 1168748)
You're right, I'd rather have a crabby old ***** walk by once, offer me 2 oz of coke and spend the rest of the flight sitting in the last row eating a first class meal and reading magazines.

Suddenly, singing seems like a small price to pay for proper in-flight service.

That's funny. I'm always offered the full can. If they don't offer and I really want it, then I politely ask for it. Never received a no answer. My experience on Southwest has been my drink order is taken, then brought to me on a tray already in a cup. If I want the can, I politely ask for it. Never received a no answer. Maybe it's all in the approach. ;)

80ktsClamp 04-13-2012 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by ExAF (Post 1168702)
+1...NOBODY at DAL has any room to tout their IT prowess.

DL picked NW IT people for the most part to go forward- the previous DL system was selected since it was SAP over the NW system, as the DL system is more adaptable to the changes and improvements we have seen over the the past 4 years.

WN did not pick the more adaptable IT system and just went with the same stuff without adequate planning or foresight since the WN way is always the right way.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:48 AM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands