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LuvJockey 04-20-2012 09:41 AM

SWAPA Wins More Codeshare Restrictions
 
New sideletter is out -

Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*

gloopy 04-20-2012 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by LuvJockey (Post 1172749)
New sideletter is out -

Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*

There's no money in doing your core business.

Carl Spackler 04-20-2012 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by LuvJockey (Post 1172749)
New sideletter is out -

Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*

Good for you guys. Very proud of you and SWAPA. Hopefully other "unions" will take this as an example of actually reversing scope damage.

Carl

PropPiedmont 04-20-2012 06:50 PM

Smoke & mirrors. SWA has no plan, nor have they ever had a plan for codeshare in excess of 1%. It a negotiating tactic on SWAs part. Trying to make a crappy SL look more appealing.

BTW, this is not in our contract, but a current proposal from the company.

Columbia 04-20-2012 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by LuvJockey (Post 1172749)
New sideletter is out -

Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*

And yet they lost money. Costs are going through the roof, bubba.

LuvJockey 04-20-2012 11:23 PM

Prop, it's more than a proposal when it has been forwarded for a vote. You can post the rest of the SL and tell everybody how crappy it is..

Columbia, what costs are you talking about, bubba? What is the "they" of which you speak?

WHACKMASTER 04-21-2012 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by LuvJockey (Post 1172749)
New sideletter is out -

Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*

You forgot to mention that SWAPA agreed to no overide whatsoever for ETOPS or international flying. What's the reasoning for that? I thought your contract was so fantastic that every AirTran pilot should thank their lucky stars, blah, blah, blah. Hell, we even have an overide.

Not that I'd get a vote on it, but without international overide, the sideletter is a nonstarter. That's just ridiculous.

shiznit 04-21-2012 07:15 AM

Is it really a "WIN" for SWAPA?

Let's just say that 'legacy' SWA flies "1000" ASM's each year...

1000 x 2.25% = 22.5 ASM's allowed by Volaris/Mexican flying

Adding the entire 'legacy' Airtran network is only "112.5" ASM's yearly.
(Essentially that Airtran is only 11.25% of the size of the Southwest pre-merger)

1000+112.5 x 2% = 22.5

Therefore:

If adding in the entire Airtran network plus the extra seats on the -800 and the new layout on the -700 is a greater than 11.25% of the CURRENT SWA ASM's, that is an INCREASE of the permitted flying by non-SWA pilots.


The current AT fleet is 140 aircraft, SWA is 558 so ASM's are roughly 25%..... Start adding -800's and an extra row of seats on the -700 fleet.....

"Wins MORE restrictions...." You be the judge.

Rolf 04-21-2012 07:50 AM

Shiz,

If it gets ratified, codesharing is limited to Volaris only. Canada etc went away, so yeah, thats a win.
Like our number 1 cheerleader kindly pointed out, we didn't get any override. Just out of curiosity, what is Delta override for near international?

USN C9B 04-21-2012 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Rolf (Post 1173275)
Like our number 1 cheerleader kindly pointed out...

That's funny right there.

I too was surprised at no int'l override.

C9


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