SWAPA Wins More Codeshare Restrictions
04-20-2012, 09:41 AM
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SWAPA Wins More Codeshare Restrictions
New sideletter is out -
Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*
Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*
04-20-2012, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey
New sideletter is out -
Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*
Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*
04-20-2012, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey
New sideletter is out -
Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*
Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*
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04-20-2012, 06:50 PM
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Smoke & mirrors. SWA has no plan, nor have they ever had a plan for codeshare in excess of 1%. It a negotiating tactic on SWAs part. Trying to make a crappy SL look more appealing.
BTW, this is not in our contract, but a current proposal from the company.
BTW, this is not in our contract, but a current proposal from the company.
04-20-2012, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey
New sideletter is out -
Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*
Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*
04-20-2012, 11:23 PM
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Prop, it's more than a proposal when it has been forwarded for a vote. You can post the rest of the SL and tell everybody how crappy it is..
Columbia, what costs are you talking about, bubba? What is the "they" of which you speak?
Columbia, what costs are you talking about, bubba? What is the "they" of which you speak?
04-21-2012, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey
New sideletter is out -
Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*
Reduces Southwest Airlines' ability to Near International and Trans-Border codeshare and further restricts existing agreement to 2.25% of total ASMs and limits partnerships to Volaris-only and Mexico-only
Beginning January 2016, the 2.25% Near International and Trans-Border codeshare restriction is further reduced to 2% of total ASMs (one year look back to 01/01/2015)*
Not that I'd get a vote on it, but without international overide, the sideletter is a nonstarter. That's just ridiculous.
04-21-2012, 07:15 AM
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Is it really a "WIN" for SWAPA?
Let's just say that 'legacy' SWA flies "1000" ASM's each year...
1000 x 2.25% = 22.5 ASM's allowed by Volaris/Mexican flying
Adding the entire 'legacy' Airtran network is only "112.5" ASM's yearly.
(Essentially that Airtran is only 11.25% of the size of the Southwest pre-merger)
1000+112.5 x 2% = 22.5
Therefore:
If adding in the entire Airtran network plus the extra seats on the -800 and the new layout on the -700 is a greater than 11.25% of the CURRENT SWA ASM's, that is an INCREASE of the permitted flying by non-SWA pilots.
The current AT fleet is 140 aircraft, SWA is 558 so ASM's are roughly 25%..... Start adding -800's and an extra row of seats on the -700 fleet.....
"Wins MORE restrictions...." You be the judge.
Let's just say that 'legacy' SWA flies "1000" ASM's each year...
1000 x 2.25% = 22.5 ASM's allowed by Volaris/Mexican flying
Adding the entire 'legacy' Airtran network is only "112.5" ASM's yearly.
(Essentially that Airtran is only 11.25% of the size of the Southwest pre-merger)
1000+112.5 x 2% = 22.5
Therefore:
If adding in the entire Airtran network plus the extra seats on the -800 and the new layout on the -700 is a greater than 11.25% of the CURRENT SWA ASM's, that is an INCREASE of the permitted flying by non-SWA pilots.
The current AT fleet is 140 aircraft, SWA is 558 so ASM's are roughly 25%..... Start adding -800's and an extra row of seats on the -700 fleet.....
"Wins MORE restrictions...." You be the judge.
04-21-2012, 07:50 AM
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Shiz,
If it gets ratified, codesharing is limited to Volaris only. Canada etc went away, so yeah, thats a win.
Like our number 1 cheerleader kindly pointed out, we didn't get any override. Just out of curiosity, what is Delta override for near international?
If it gets ratified, codesharing is limited to Volaris only. Canada etc went away, so yeah, thats a win.
Like our number 1 cheerleader kindly pointed out, we didn't get any override. Just out of curiosity, what is Delta override for near international?
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