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Old 04-22-2012, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey View Post
SL12 has nothing to do with redeyes.
I know that. So let's do it in Sec 6.
Wasted leverage!
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:33 AM
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I know that. So let's do it in Sec 6.
Wasted leverage!

This is getting very close to belonging in the why I hate sw thread.
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I vote no with no hesitation.
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Old 04-22-2012, 08:38 AM
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Volaris to Mexico is it.
If SWA can't interline with the res system they have with a company they own, how do they do it with a foreign airline?
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Do any other airlines have imbedded reserve on a 3 day Hawaii trip? SWA is planning trips where day two is on reserve status with slightly better pay but no Mai Tai's poolside until the last red-eye has pushed for the west coast.
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Old 04-22-2012, 03:02 PM
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A no vote probably would be a good starter for our section 6 to let them know we're not going to just sign off on whatever they send us. I wouldn't mind. It would definitely give us more leverage.

Decrease max codeshare percentage to 2%, no codeshare other than a small Mexican company that can only codeshare with us to Mexico - I can vote no with no problem. Not many pilot groups would think that deal sucks, but with a little more leverage, we can do better.
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:42 AM
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Do any other airlines have imbedded reserve on a 3 day Hawaii trip? SWA is planning trips where day two is on reserve status with slightly better pay but no Mai Tai's poolside until the last red-eye has pushed for the west coast.
Seriously? That is a bad, bad idea. How do you get your required crew rest if you are on reserve?
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Old 04-23-2012, 07:53 AM
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Seriously? That is a bad, bad idea. How do you get your required crew rest if you are on reserve?
That's easy, you just build longer ground times.
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER View Post
You forgot to mention that SWAPA agreed to no overide whatsoever for ETOPS or international flying. What's the reasoning for that? I thought your contract was so fantastic that every AirTran pilot should thank their lucky stars, blah, blah, blah. Hell, we even have an overide.

Not that I'd get a vote on it, but without international overide, the sideletter is a nonstarter. That's just ridiculous.
Whackmaster, Show us the math on how bad this is for the AirTran folks.

How does a 3 hour SWA domestic flight pay compare with a 3 hour AirTran international flight? How about a 2 hour flight?

Now add in the additional per diem on the SWA side and compare it to the AirTran pay for the same flight. Who makes more? Which paycheck is higher, AirTran with an international override or a SWA paycheck without?

No rhetoric. Show us the math.
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Don't be so sensative...I didn't take WM's post as a AT vs SWA thing.

Your standard SWA pilot will make less on int'l flights due to typically higher costs of food you must purchase since customs/agriculture will confiscate your ham sammys, bananas and other items. BTW, that food you must buy is going to cost more too. The int'l override is to offset this loss.

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