The. C series 100 model has 100-124seats and mtow of 132000 I think this would be a delta order not dci: the emb 195 has a weight of 115000 and the crj 1000 is 92000 I think

How will they fit 86 seats in a 11,500 lbs airplane!?! :eek:

The smallest C-Series weighs MORE then 115,000 LBS. No dice on your speculation. ;)

As in the entire CHQ air group is fired? Didn't we just sign on some new leases from them though? I'd like to see it.

Just repeating what was said. We may see soon enough.

You guys are correct that the smallest CSeries will be more than 115500 lbs. so that is not a likely aircraft. My bad.

However, the issue is and remains DAL Scope (and the scope at all majors). You guys give up scope for $$$, the bottom will drop out at the regionals now and the majors will get squeezed from the bottom by the DCI carriers and Emirates et al from the top. It won't be immediate but the end result will not be good for anyone if you want to live and work from a US base.

I hope you guys can hold the line. Otherwise, might as well sign up at Emirates before everyone else realizes we're all screwed. Never want to be at the back of the line!

Understood, but they say a lot of silly things ... recall this is from the same political body which sold "Comair pilots will get date of hire" to justify allowing Delta to operate three 121 carriers in the Delta network and furlough Delta pilots while hiring street Captains at the Company's own subsidiaries flying the same routes.

See how the thread "DAL top end scope" returned to the moral center of gravity of the issue?

Our top end scope sucks because our bottom end scope sucks. The problem is a lack of a coherent strategy.

It seems that way. A lot of us over here are wondering what is going on with this 86 seat rumor. Except for some of the senior captains, most people want nothing to do with them.

In this awful proposal we got a couple days ago, it said every FO would have a virtual seat lock until upgrade. Soooooo, (God forbid) these 86 seaters come over and they're gonna have junior FO's at $26/hr fly these things? That's what it looks like, if this were to actually happen.

Of course there's the rumor that we'd fly them for American...

But anyway, please don't give in to any more scope. The thought of seeing bigger RJs and spending more and more years at a regional sickens me.

Well you see, its all about the production balance, really. Who cares how big the RJ's are as long as the total number of block hours is less than it is today, right?

Ok, I almost threw up a little in my mouth just typing that in jest. I can't believe we're about to fall for it in real life.

That's a big part of it, at both the DALPA and national levels. There's also a pretty big contingent at both levels that refuses to even acknowledge a problem exists, that there's anything inherently wrong about the two-tier apartheid system we have, or that there's anything wrong about trading away some members jobs into the outsourcing maw to make other jobs more lucrative.