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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1194180)
Its kind of funny that with all the contract experts here on the forum not one person has discussed what is not in this contract and its huge. Lets see how long it takes someone to come up with a very big missing part and what effect if might have in the near future.
Why not give us all the pieces to the puzzle? If we are missing something, tell us what it is. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1194180)
Its kind of funny that with all the contract experts here on the forum not one person has discussed what is not in this contract and its huge. Lets see how long it takes someone to come up with a very big missing part and what effect if might have in the near future.
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
(Post 1194196)
Don't claim to be an expert, but I don't see any reference to the new rest rules. Is that it? I'm interested in what you have to say, but not interested in the whole "I got a secret" business.
Bingo, The new rest rules are not in the contract. That now has to be negotiated in a LOA. If no agreement can be reached the company must work under the existing contract and new rest rules. The company wanted it in the contract and we did hold out and keep it as a item to be negotiated at a future time. Not sure the total cost to the company or how much leverage it might provide us but its interesting it was omitted. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1194218)
Bingo, The new rest rules are not in the contract. That now has to be negotiated in a LOA. If no agreement can be reached the company must work under the existing contract and new rest rules. The company wanted it in the contract and we did hold out and keep it as a item to be negotiated at a future time. Not sure the total cost to the company or how much leverage it might provide us but its interesting it was omitted.
The new JV language seems to have been strengthened. A positive. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1194224)
Will those even be in effect prior to the amendable date of this contract? I don't think they will.
The new JV language seems to have been strengthened. A positive. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1194224)
The new JV language seems to have been strengthened. A positive.
Still working on thumbing through it all. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1194240)
The new rules go into effect in Dec 2013.
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 1194258)
Could you possibly elaborate on that.
Still working on thumbing through it all. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1194266)
OK, I wasn't sure about the timing. This could be leverage to be exploited later I suppose.. Given what I have seen so far, I am not hopeful about our chances to do that though... What say you?
The problem with the TA is that it simply will not give a dead zoner any recovery room on retirement. It forces pilots to stay beyond 60. I have no intention or desire to be here beyond 60. I need more from this TA. 100 million a year would make it a slam dunk to ratify. 4 percent more pay and 1 percent more in the DC. There are time constraints with some of what the company wants but I think there is a chance to fix this and still allow the growth and RJ reductions planned. A strong pilot no vote increases the chances to fixt this. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1194300)
In every case where we have had some leverage we have extracted real improvements worth at least the cost value to the company. In some cases we got improvement where the company never even used their quid such as the A319 charters in Europe. The company never flew one.
The problem with the TA is that it simply will not give a dead zoner any recovery room on retirement. It forces pilots to stay beyond 60. I have no intention or desire to be here beyond 60. I need more from this TA. 100 million a year would make it a slam dunk to ratify. 4 percent more pay and 1 percent more in the DC. There are time constraints with some of what the company wants but I think there is a chance to fix this and still allow the growth and RJ reductions planned. A strong pilot no vote increases the chances to fixt this. |
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