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sailingfun 05-27-2012 02:33 AM


Originally Posted by groundstop (Post 1198490)
I haven't talked to anyone voting yes... so that is a couple dozen NO's. However... I have a bad feeling its going to pass. The kool-aid flows strong in the south.

Another urban legend. I listen to the NY guys complain all the time about the koolaid drinkers in the south voting yes on everything. Yet the actual by base breakdown shows that Atlanta has consistently been the highest no vote base with the exception of DFW which is now gone. NYC which prided itself on being the radicals has had one of the highest yes rates. Always well above Atlanta.

NERD 05-27-2012 04:17 AM

My guess is it passes. Less than 80% will bother to vote and of that it will pass by a small margin. 57%

DeadHead 05-27-2012 04:32 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1198543)
Another urban legend. I listen to the NY guys complain all the time about the koolaid drinkers in the south voting yes on everything. Yet the actual by base breakdown shows that Atlanta has consistently been the highest no vote base with the exception of DFW which is now gone. NYC which prided itself on being the radicals has had one of the highest yes rates. Always well above Atlanta.

Someone eluded to integrity of the voting process in this thread or another one, I have no reason to question it one or another, but who administers/officially tallies the vote?
3rd party/neutral company or agency?
What kind of demographic breakdowns are released as well?
(I'm guessing base, senioity percentiles, and aircraft/positions)

mvndc10 05-27-2012 04:46 AM

Can ANYONE Recall any agreement or LOA that has been Voted down at either DAL or NWA in recent times????

I'm leaning towards a "YES" Vote I will go to the Roadshow and listen to ALPA's Sell Job then see...

But I think after the Contract is done ALPA should be ALSO....:eek:

hockeypilot44 05-27-2012 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1198360)
Hey, I start Atlanta June 1st! I've found 1 yes & 10 no's or so in MSP. Most guys feel insulted, but also understand that it's just business.

Oh, and for the first time in my brief Delta career I was able to book the jumpseat to work! (to ATL) I love it! See, going DFW-MSP, it's all DCI, so I can't book it...sure would be nice to fix that DCI problem...hmmm...

Ouch. DFW-ATL is hardest commute in system.

sailingfun 05-27-2012 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1198563)
Someone eluded to integrity of the voting process in this thread or another one, I have no reason to question it one or another, but who administers/officially tallies the vote?
3rd party/neutral company or agency?
What kind of demographic breakdowns are released as well?
(I'm guessing base, senioity percentiles, and aircraft/positions)


Votes are tallied by a company independent of ALPA. They are used by many unions and other companies for elections.

BallotPoint Election Services - Building a wall of integrity around your union elections

hockeypilot44 05-27-2012 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by mvndc10 (Post 1198571)
Can ANYONE Recall any agreement or LOA that has been Voted down at either DAL or NWA in recent times????

I'm leaning towards a "YES" Vote I will go to the Roadshow and listen to ALPA's Sell Job then see...

But I think after the Contract is done ALPA should be ALSO....:eek:

Honest question. Did you read the TA yourself or are you just relying on ALPA's notepads?

Reservebum 05-27-2012 05:34 AM

I'm no expert at contract negotiating, but if mother Delta is in a hurry to get this through, there is probably a reason (can you say $2.5B profit?). Council 20's chairman's letter paints a good picture of the real 'value' of this TA.

My view...why the rush? Why give up any scope at all? The 50 seaters will soon go away anyway (or Delta takes a huge hit) why give up a single thing for something that will soon take care of itself? It's called leverage...let's use it!

My fear...people are too short-sighted and will vote for an immediate pay raise, no matter how minuscule.

NO, thank you.

nwa757 05-27-2012 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by samballs (Post 1198352)
It's Delta, and its it gives up more 76 seaters, you know it will pass.

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untied 05-27-2012 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by Reservebum (Post 1198590)
I'm no expert at contract negotiating, but if mother Delta is in a hurry to get this through, there is probably a reason (can you say $2.5B profit?). Council 20's chairman's letter paints a good picture of the real 'value' of this TA.

My view...why the rush? Why give up any scope at all? The 50 seaters will soon go away anyway (or Delta takes a huge hit) why give up a single thing for something that will soon take care of itself? It's called leverage...let's use it!

My fear...people are too short-sighted and will vote for an immediate pay raise, no matter how minuscule.

NO, thank you.

You've got it all wrong....giving up more DC-9 sized airframes with better range and a greater ability to steal mainline flying IMPROVES scope.

The company LOVES the 50 seater, and is making a HUGE sacrifice parking their beloved small RJ's early.

(that's the "spin" the yes voters are trying to sell here). :)

(I especially love how the TA makes you finance the small raise by significantly reducing profit sharing!)

Stop giving up scope! (yes, I have read the TA and it is a MAJOR concessionary deal as far as scope goes.....)


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