767ER INT'L 1994 :: Capt 197.27 FO 134.73

767ER INT'L TA as of JUL2012:: Capt 196.52 FO: 134.22


If you fly international you do get the override. CP 6.50 and FO 4.50


JULY 2012(new TA) with Override::: Capt 203.02 FO 138.72

I know that all the 767ER piloots are flying to Erope so make sure you count this override.

I am not trying to be a closed minded nay sayer, but look at the facts people.


Vote NO. Based on the facts.

I hope people bring these numbers up at the Road show. I am still trying to figure out how to post the whole pay scales, but am at a loss.

I am sure that ALPA has them in their archives. So just contact ALPA and they will gladly provide you with the old contract.

Does anyone have a contract from pre 1994?

I know we have pilots hired before 1994.

Pilots also got reimbursed for laundry and tipping back then.... Big deal! Times have changed, and now our peers can't negotiate out of a paper bag, not helping us at all. 9-11, BK, and age 65 also screwed things up. It's not good to dwell on the past, rather concentrate on going forward and gaining as much as we possibly can within reasonable means. That means reasonable gains thanks to shorter duration contracts, not one big "gold mine" hit at once. Just not going to happen in today's negotiating environment. Ask the AA, UCAL, and US guys what I mean.

The commonly used expression, "Those who ignore history are bound (or doomed) to repeat it" is actually a mis-quotation of the original text written by George Santayana, who, in his Reason in Common Sense, The Life of Reason, Vol.1, wrote "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Rooted in the philosophies of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle and many others to follow, his biography (1863-1952)

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Bill,

So, when we negotiate a contract we are to start from scratch every time? Throw out everything we know and then start writing a brand new contract?

Why wouldn't you refrence the past?
Knowing where you have been keeps you from traveling in a circle.

Riiiight. History also shows DL pilots also accept TAs without sending them back for more. That might be smart this time.

If your referencing the TA the proper rates to use are the 1 Jan rates since that is the amendable date. The 1 July raise is essentially a signing bonus.

Management looks at past successes and failures to plot their future track.
Why not the pilots?

It's hard to compare the past when the present and past weren't exactly the same. Scope wasn't a big issue back then, BKs weren't as common, and age 65 wasn't enacted. You just can't compare the two. Sorry, times have changed, and adapting to current problems should be our focus, not focusing on past pay rates. Was there a Skyteam Alliance back then? That there has more affect on our future pilot growth than almost any issue. DL pilots didn't even know what a code share was in 1994.