Got it. So in this TA where we significantly tighten scope you're vocally opposed...you want us to keep executing the "no strategy, no leverage play" and you're not a member of our pilot group?

Thanks for sharing!;)

Delta doesnt purchase WTI. They hedge Brent Crude. We switched last year to avoid the massive swings in WTI prices. Plus if you hedge and prices fall, it can actually result in a loss.

I believe this to be true. I also believe ALPA is not capable of holding the RJ scope line. IMO, the company will be back at the table pronto due to this crack like RJ addiction. It is the reason they came to us.

IMO, ALPA and MGT are aligned in wanting to outsource our work. Neither want a strike. They both want labor peace. They both want to minimize one groups power over their source of income. Outsourcing does it for both. Did anyone advocate outsourcing more large RJs in their survey?

People need to think long and hard about this scope trade you speak of. It will be there in the next TA if this gets voted down. A comparison of fleet size usually sheds some light on our outsourcing. I am just listing the 70-76 seaters, since by themselves is bad enough and is of most concern.

Delta TA (70-76)=325

Entire fleet sizes of other airlines

AirTran = 140
Alaska = 119
HAL = 42
Jetblue = 172
Spirit = 40
US Airways = 339
Virgin = 51

source, APC

We are going to outsource 70 more large RJs. More airframes than 3 of the airlines listed above, just in this TA alone. These aren't 30 seat props, but mainline jets that we should be flying. This outsourcing dwarfs Hawaiian and is almost as large as US Airways in fleet size, both are Legacy airlines. I hope we will vote this down and any more TAs with these scope trades. Keep it up and soon their will be nothing left to trade. But at least ALPA and MGT will be happy.

Ok. So you're saying there will always be outsourcing. And your solution is to keep voting NO until they just give up???

How about 388 76 seaters, no 70 seaters and no 50 seaters?

As long as we have a bargaining agent that benefits from our outsourcing, just like MGT, there will always be pressure to outsource our work. Look no further than this TA. Good negotiating enviroment, MGT opens early and we sell another airline worth of large RJs. If we can't hold the line now, ALPA is not capable. And yes, we continue to vote "NO"! I have no other option until we get a bargaining agent in place that isn't willing to sell our jobs. Do you think if ALPA were losing 70 large RJs worth of dues they would be selling them off of our list? I would place a large wager they end up on ALPA property!

Also, add that the entity you buy the hedge from is usually on the other side of the trade and engages in fraud and market manipulation. The oil refinery is a good idea and I would like to see them buy more if possible.

Look how much better that is than 450 total RJs. It is all about reducing the total RJs. Hope my sarcasm came across ok.

I don't buy that argument. If ALPA brought the RJs to mainline they'd be getting MORE dues. So in essence, they're harming themselves by leaving them at regionals. Plus, take a look at APA's BK proposal for scope. It's an eye opener.

308 51-88 seaters PLUS 352 70 seaters. That's APA's proposal to management. I understand they're in BK, but did ALPA give that up in BK?

Negatory, good buddy.

It's called a DFR lawsuit. Which is what would happen if ALPA allowed mainline pilots to recapture flying at the expense of RJ pilots-- ALPA is equally obligated to both groups. NOW do you see the conflict of interest?