In 2 or more years according to the NMB. That's what was said. It's a definite possibility.

The board of directors probably knows, and ALPA has a guy on there, along with confidentiality agreements. Just sayin... Maybe?

Ask CVG. Those are from his notes from TO's mouth. They are from the first post of the thread.

Less overall is not always better. The company doesn't want 50 seats they do want 76 seaters.

I'll grant you that. They might know. That might be a good question for the road show.

That's not what I said. This is: "Cost of this contract is $420 million. This was vehemently challenged by several in the group, citing the Detroit rep's widely known assertion that this is a cost-neutral contract. Tim stated that the cost-neutral statement was mostly for Wall St., and that a cost neutral claim would have to include the added revenue from both the CRJ900s and the 717s. There would be no other way to get to that number."

If it were just less 50s, I would agree with what I just bolded in your comment. Seeing as how we are giving them 70 more 70+ RJs (direct mainline replacement jets), I have to disagree. 325 large RJs under the TA vs. the 255 hard cap we have now is actually more .....not less. Funny how so many guys keep repeating this falsehood.

But using the less is more argument for a moment, we could justify giving them 777s. Hey, it would only be a few airframes. Maybe we could get a few more coins in our pocket and surely we would not have to go through Sec. 6!

Wrong. Overall, there will be less total RJs. There will be more "larger" RJs, but what people are not understanding is that the loss of the 150 50 seaters will create routes for those 102 70 seaters. They will cover a lot of the same routes that the 50s that are being parked are flying now. 150 small RJs hit a lot of important city pairs, but some of them can't make money apparently. That is where the 70 seaters will come in most likely. Where do you think 88 717s will fly to? Places where current 76 seaters are flying? Yeah.... Maybe LGA slot swap RJ routes? Probably.

And your less is more argument is weak. Give 777s? Really? Give a plausible outcome. If you don't think a longer section 6 via the NMB isn't possible, then you need to make some phone calls.

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This point was reached weeks ago - by the NC.

Go to a road show. Email/call reps and ask hard questions. . Focus on facts that can be verified then vote - yes or no.

One of the FOs I flew with last week said the same thing, more or less. The difference is that our bargaining agent went back and forth over 300 times with that shady car dealer. Now, our agent is bringing us what they say is the best deal they can get. Is it? That's what we all need to decide.