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Originally Posted by CVG767A
(Post 1201664)
The pilot in me prefers to hope for the best case, but assume the worst case.
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Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1201990)
I don't agree with you, we'd have 311+255 = 566 RJ's flying outsourced.
This agreement makes that number 450. 111 jets worth of block hours is a significant difference. It would take until 2020 until that 450 is reached without our consent... DAL pilots could be on their 2nd or 3rd PWA negotiation by that point.... We always try to improve the pay, and we have restricted outsourcing from the JPWA up to now, why wouldn't we tighten the DCI noose 2 or 3 more times also? I am with you WRT trust of mgt. and their intentions. |
Originally Posted by DLpilot
(Post 1202179)
Unless you feel they would renew a lease on an unwanted jet then there will be 366 RJs left at the end of 2020 without this TA. Less total and less large ones compared to this TA. If you feel that Delta would rather spend the millions on heavy maintenance of a 50 seater, then your numbers are more appropriate.
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1202053)
The idea of a union is that our Reps speak on our collective behalf.
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1202257)
Through 2015, 331 50 seaters are on the hook with lease contracts, and those don't help with profits. With the TA, that number drops to 125 by 2015. The additional 76 seaters are brought in ONLY when 717s are brought in. So, that means 80 fewer RJs flying around. That is significant. Please attend a roadshow.
Oh, and there are less than 100 70 seaters and in the 140's of 76 seaters committed to in 2015, too. Did you miss that one? This agreement increases the long term viability of DCI for short term gains. We are long term employees and need to think in those terms. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1202306)
Does speaking on our collective behalf involve selling a sub par agreement to its membership?
1. The union would keep the membership in the dark. 2. The union would not follow the direction given to it by its constituents. 3. The union would sell the he11 out of whatever they came up with. Same old song and dance.... http://themyelinexperiment.files.wor...and-dance2.jpg |
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1202257)
Through 2015, 331 50 seaters are on the hook with lease contracts, and those don't help with profits.
Protip: You do not want to make things that can replace you profitable. This T/A does exactly that. |
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
(Post 1202257)
Through 2015, 331 50 seaters are on the hook with lease contracts, and those don't help with profits. With the TA, that number drops to 125 by 2015. The additional 76 seaters are brought in ONLY when 717s are brought in. So, that means 80 fewer RJs flying around. That is significant. Please attend a roadshow.
What is more detrimental to your job? What can your flying be more easily be replaced by? A 50 seater or a large RJ. |
Originally Posted by JungleBus
(Post 1202317)
Good, I say!
Protip: You do not want to make things that can replace you profitable. This T/A does exactly that.
Originally Posted by DLpilot
(Post 1202417)
Since when is scope about helping with profits? Scope=jobs
What is more detrimental to your job? What can your flying be more easily be replaced by? A 50 seater or a large RJ.
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1202307)
This agreement increases the long term viability of DCI for short term gains. We are long term employees and need to think in those terms. It really boils down to these statements. THX for putting it so simply. |
Originally Posted by DLpilot
(Post 1202417)
Since when is scope about helping with profits? Scope=jobs
What is more detrimental to your job? What can your flying be more easily be replaced by? A 50 seater or a large RJ. 598 outsourced airframes with unlimited numbers of large TP's and 50 seat aircraft allowed? OR A fixed cap of airframes that will be reduced everytime new mainline 319/717's show up? It will very likely be 450 airframes. Remember, come 2015 when this TA is up for renegotiation roughly 96 of the 102 70 seat jets will be on the end of its financial commitment between the beginning of 2015 and the end of 2019. Additionally about 27 76's will be coming off of obligations in that same timeframe. That is another opportunity to reduce the DCI cap to a number as low as 327 total airframes in a third round of scope recapture... I see that as perfect timing for Delta Pilots to lower the cap and increase the ratios even more in mainline's favor! Maybe they ARE looking at the long term........ |
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