You're right. We do disagree because you for some reason have rationalized that apples and oranges are the same when they're not even close. Do you know what the profit margins for SWA, FedEx, UPS are? Better yet, do you know what DAL's profit margins are and how ours compares to there's? Trying to keep up with Jones's will leave you in bankruptcy as we and UAL were doing that nonsense. None of those carriers where above DAL at one time, but they are now. Why?...because the didn't go for the lottery pie in the sky payout. They did it incrementally and subsequently the business could support that. We are on our way now the correct way,...the way that will allow us to stay there this time, not come tumbling down the mountainside with them waving to us yet again and shaking their heads at us foolish on hit wonders.

Okay, we understand C2k may be unsustainable while paying down debt, but why the concessions?

DAL is a profitable company.

Did ANYONE expect to see concessions in this TA?

What concessions are you referring to? Serious question because I just don't see them.

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/83j8r
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(Copied from the roadshow handouts in ATL today)

This includes our DC, which SWA does not have. This is for Captains. Unfortunately FO's don't get a chart, but it probably looks somewhat similar.

2013 is our amendable date. Does this turn you? Or are you talking pay only? Does it matter that DC is included in this chart? I think it's relevant as it is part of compensation and is money coming out of Delta's pocket, into mine (tax advantaged.)

Not flaming. What do you think?

*Keep in mind that the red portion on the SWA bar is what the pilot contributes to receive the match from SWA. Delta pilots receive the entire green bar from the company completely without having to contribute money from their paycheck to get a match.

More large RJs
Higher ALV/TLV for lineholders.
Shifting the 30 day monthly bids to summer.
7th short call.
Ability to assign a reserve to work to alv plus 15

Since when is a 20% pay raise concessions? Especially when they 13% of it begins by the amendable date! :rolleyes:

It is not relevant without their workrules that allow EASY and regular premium pay. They absolutely blow us away. This chart is misleading and has been debunked aplenty.

If a DAL pilot wants to live in the dark and eat paste, this chart speaks to him. If, OTOH, he wants to understand how gross the gap between SWA takehome pay and his DAL takehome pay, he sees this chart as targetting the paste-eater.

Not disagreeing but is there anybody that has the official gross pay per pilot from reliable and official filing reports. I saw it posted several years ago and was wondering if Slow or Alpha or ACL had anything recent ?

:cool: Here we go with the name calling again. Please re-read the post I quote from Elvis. He wants to talk about SWA "rates." I argue that we should consider total compensation per hour which includes DC. You shifted the discussion to premium pay.

I get your frustration. I don't get why you feel the need to resort to insults.

If you include all the money that goes out of delta and into your pocket then include all of it. What about holiday pay and premium pay for example? What about their better rigs and vacation pay? All of those affect your compensation.