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Old 06-10-2012 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by nerd2009
Excellent post Dawgs.

The word needs to be spread around
Not my post, just a re-post, but felt the captain on the ALPA web board laid out a great opposing view to the Lumberg/ALPA offensive. Mo info is mo beta. Sink, as to who composed it, check it out on the ALPA board.
Old 06-10-2012 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DAWGS
Not my post, just a re-post, but felt the captain on the ALPA web board laid out a great opposing view to the Lumberg/ALPA offensive. Mo info is mo beta. Sink, as to who composed it, check it out on the ALPA board.
I like how you took my thread about what a 767 Capt thinks personally. I just want to get it right, and if this is leverage, then great, I need to know about it too. But, I still have problems with it. The RJ manufacturer still has the larger version, the CRJ1000 on the production line for years to come, plus they may want to concentrate on the new one---the C Series.

If you want to bring more out in the light that can make ME have a better idea of how I SHOULD VOTE, then great. I have no problems with that. But, don't make it personal. You can vote anyway you want to.
Old 06-10-2012 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DAWGS
Not my post, just a re-post, but felt the captain on the ALPA web board laid out a great opposing view to the Lumberg/ALPA offensive. Mo info is mo beta. Sink, as to who composed it, check it out on the ALPA board.
Didn't see it earlier. What thread?
Old 06-10-2012 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DAWGS
Not my post, just a re-post, but felt the captain on the ALPA web board laid out a great opposing view to the Lumberg/ALPA offensive. Mo info is mo beta. Sink, as to who composed it, check it out on the ALPA board.
He is NOT a well respected captain.
Old 06-10-2012 | 05:28 PM
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Old 06-11-2012 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
He is NOT a well respected captain.
OK, found the thread. I've flown with him. He's a passionate guy, and intelligent. He writes well. He's capable of making great arguments, and some of the most off-the-wall stuff.

His trips are in open time a lot. I personally wouldn't avoid a good trip if he was on it.

He'essentially got a similar reputation as a guy like RM or the Gold Guy. I'd judge his argument on their own merit, and not give them particular credibility; nor would I dismiss him out-of-hand.
Old 06-11-2012 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
OK, found the thread. I've flown with him. He's a passionate guy, and intelligent. He writes well. He's capable of making great arguments, and some of the most off-the-wall stuff.

His trips are in open time a lot. I personally wouldn't avoid a good trip if he was on it.

He'essentially got a similar reputation as a guy like RM or the Gold Guy.
Except he doesn't show up at road shows and start shoving people around...in uniform. If we had 12,000 more like him, we wouldn't be begging for table scraps today.
Old 06-11-2012 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Except he doesn't show up at road shows and start shoving people around...in uniform. If we had 12,000 more like him, we wouldn't be begging for table scraps today.
How would 12k more prevent your definition of "table scraps"?

$400,000,000 in yearly improvements is scraps?
6 months early and back at the negotiating table in 2.8 years?

How are our peers in NMB mediation doing? 12,000 strong and P.O.'ed at UCAL, how is it putting more money in their pilots' bank accounts?


I just don't see it....
Old 06-11-2012 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Except he doesn't show up at road shows and start shoving people around...in uniform. If we had 12,000 more like him, we wouldn't be begging for table scraps today.
Table scraps?? Seriously Timbo?
Old 06-11-2012 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
How would 12k more prevent your definition of "table scraps"?

$400,000,000 in yearly improvements is scraps?
6 months early and back at the negotiating table in 2.8 years?

How are our peers in NMB mediation doing? 12,000 strong and P.O.'ed at UCAL, how is it putting more money in their pilots' bank accounts?


I just don't see it....
Its not scraps, its just that when you thought you were getting a whole meal you look at the plate and realized the meat was missing.

400,000 is the year four number. 268 is apparently the year one number. Ask your reps what their min direction was after being time valued for an expedited process. I will bet you we fell 35-50% below that number. You cannot do that without the reps providing redirection; there wasn't any.
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