O'Malley's rebuttal letter to C20
 

Discuss here.

As per the other C20 letter, the content shall not be posted on this thread.

Where can I find it? The rebuttal.

The same way you got to see Tom Tuckers letter- the ALPA forums or someone emailing it to you.

Thanks.......

So, according to DALPA, this TA is not cost neutral.

That would mean RA, EB, et al are lying by telling Wall Street that it is cost neutral.

I'm pretty sure that would be illegal. Wire fraud, conspiracy, etc. etc.

Someone needs to alert the FBI. And the SEC too, for good measure.

...or maybe it's DALPA who is lying.

Tucker's letter was not posted because he specifically forbade public posting. That is not in the Letter from Capt. O'Malley. There have been many letters posted from union officials with no problem. You can't erase the post unless there is objection from the author. It seems to me that you are abusing your position as Moderator to erase content you don't like.

What?

Not to the pilots. The extra revenue generated by the 717s and 70 additional 76 seaters will be used to pay the raises FOR the pilots. That sounds great for us! :) ;)

You are misinformed. Or lying. Which is it?

Can you repost it? I would rather read it on here, if it is ok with 80kts.....

I said this in a different way before Bacon, but I really believe you are below average intelligence.

It was my understanding that O'Malleys letter was posted in the same manner as Tucker's.

I'll go look at the actual wording of his letter before I allow it on here.

No abuse- trying to be fair.

O'Malley's letter states:

I'm getting further interpretation on whether to allow this. Reading this earlier today is what gave me the impression that it should not be posted on the forums. My current interpretation is if he wants fair play, he will get that by it also not being posted on here.

I'm waiting for the other powers that be to get back to me.

The heading of his letter is to council 20 pilots.

I say contact Capt Tucker and get his permission. Post either both or niether.

I was initially bothered by some of the contentions that the end game was rushed and MAYBE dominated by a few individuals. TO's letter was well written and I thought, covered most of the inflamatory allegations. I respect TT and all his work but feel TO's letter answers most of his "issues".

As I have stated elsewhere, it comes down to two things for me. I believe our NC and reps are honest, honorable men who are motivated to deliver the best contract for the Delta pilots. They have been "knee deep" in this TA (and the NC had over 100 face to face negot sessions with mgmt) for the past several months. Add in the lawyers/advisers who have been integral to this process, and you have the vast majority of our "insiders" supporting the TA. This is compelling to me. I believe this TA largely maximizes our leverage and delivers a good contract. I think the risk of turning this down is great while the reward is minimul.

:rolleyes:

Can't you just contact both men and ask permission to post both letters and send that to 80?

FWIW, it would be odd to post and comment about TO's letter without TT's first and TT's letter made it clear it wasn't supposed to be posted. So nobody posted it. Good on them.

I've contacted TT... awaiting his response. :)

which email did you use

[email protected] or the mec chair email?:D

[email protected]


:D

I think you are worthy of the title "Maestro".

Have you contacted TO?

Honestly, TO's letter didn't say don't distribute to other web boards, I think your bias is transparent. Shameful!

I wanted to post that Fresno one, but I knew that would be an infraction. :D

I'm sure it is. I feel horrible.

They aren't going up if they aren't both posted.

Nice censorship.

Look at the quote from O'Malley's letter.

He wants equal and fair distribution, and he's got it.

The concurrence was that both get posted, but I can't do that without TT's permission.

It does more damage for him than good, as it is horribly embarrassing for the MEC chair to stoop down the way he did... I've got no problem posting it, but it was concurred that both go up.

So, TO responds to TT's letter but the only one that should be posted is TO's response?

I think if TT gives permission, then we can have TT and TO's letter. That'd be more fun.

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This is a gross abuse of your power as a moderator. There is nothing in the terms of service that allow you to decide what is fair and what is not fair. You cannot make a rule up out of thin air that YOU decide is fair. If posting O'Malleys letter violates the terms of service then print out which one. This is blatant censorship because you oppose the TA. What a hypocrite.

What about the first lines of his letter?

Regardless, we conferred and if one gets posted both get posted.

In China, dogs are often used as food. This terrible practice, while alarming to you and me, is somehow tolerated, even encouraged, by some airline pilots with layovers in Shanghai.

Similarly, Clamp refusing to post TO's letter is like eating the family pet. Please put an end to both these shameful activities. Send in your card. Tell DALPA loud and clear that you want Boomer to represent you.

Thank you.

I would really like to read it here, on this board.

I'd be happy to have it up here along with TT's letter.

I'm not going to play the politics game and yell and complain, though.

Just like TT's letter, if you want to see it you've seen it, anyways.

Voting FOR this TA...Cost Neutral
Alfaromeo griping about unfair communication...Priceless!

Carl

Now that right there is funny.:eek: Interesting segue to the LECs being blindsided by the NC/Admin accepted TA...

I have e-mailed Tom directly and if he allows it I will post both side by side.

Master Chairman letter restored.

Free White Russians every Friday at the MEC Offices.

Vote for the Bar!

Thank you

Bill has asked twice for TT letter to be posted on APC. The first time, he was told to read it at DALPA. Now he's asked for it a second time.

Bill are you a DAL pilot?

+1 !!!!!

Inquiring minds want to know....

And just so my curiosity isn't misinterpreted as some type of personal attack I have dedicated my avatar picture in your honor.

Thanks Again!!! ;)