Future of Jetblue?
07-15-2012 | 07:37 AM
#21
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Bottom line...
You fly airplanes owned by other people. They will determine what color the airplanes are and what they will do with the money. If it gets bad enough, you'll go somewhere else, IF that is better. In the meantime, live below your means and fund your own retirement. As in almost all other jobs, lifetime employment is over. It was always sketchy at best in the airline business...most guys have had 3 different uniforms in their closets.
Plan accordingly.
You fly airplanes owned by other people. They will determine what color the airplanes are and what they will do with the money. If it gets bad enough, you'll go somewhere else, IF that is better. In the meantime, live below your means and fund your own retirement. As in almost all other jobs, lifetime employment is over. It was always sketchy at best in the airline business...most guys have had 3 different uniforms in their closets.
Plan accordingly.
07-15-2012 | 07:42 AM
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They aren't passive. But there's not a d##n thing they can do about it with an oversupply of pilot labor in a globally competitive, domestically deregulated business.
Heed his advice...hope for the best, plan for the worst and live within your means.
Heed his advice...hope for the best, plan for the worst and live within your means.
07-15-2012 | 08:21 AM
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Worker bees running up their "monthly nut" so they can't afford to lose the job has been one of the most powerful weapons in management's arsenal ever. With very few exceptions, if you can't (or won't) pay cash for it, you can't afford it. Period.
07-15-2012 | 04:20 PM
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So few people do that though. We have collectively learned nothing from all our industry has ben though over the generations and even recently. We as a society define "affordable" as how much can we get on credit. That makes us weak and makes us our own worst enemies and puts management in charge big time. If you can't "afford" to walk away, you weaken your position significantly and will end up with much less.
Worker bees running up their "monthly nut" so they can't afford to lose the job has been one of the most powerful weapons in management's arsenal ever. With very few exceptions, if you can't (or won't) pay cash for it, you can't afford it. Period.
Worker bees running up their "monthly nut" so they can't afford to lose the job has been one of the most powerful weapons in management's arsenal ever. With very few exceptions, if you can't (or won't) pay cash for it, you can't afford it. Period.
07-15-2012 | 05:48 PM
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"I don't agree. Pilot groups should not be passive."
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Alas, the majority of pilots are somewhat passive. And pilot groups tend to throw each other under the bus. We have been out-maneuvered by management, the courts and the NMB. I wish activist pilots would change all of this.
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Alas, the majority of pilots are somewhat passive. And pilot groups tend to throw each other under the bus. We have been out-maneuvered by management, the courts and the NMB. I wish activist pilots would change all of this.
07-16-2012 | 04:59 AM
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Activist pilots at JetBlue were silenced by 1193 pilots willing to accept substandard pay, benefits, retirement, insurance, disability and the most important important contractual provision, merger protection.
Section 15 represents a gaping hole which allows the acquiring airline to operate the airlines independently, transfer assets from one to another while allowing each individual PEA to expire.
Unions and CBA's are necessary evils.
Section 15 represents a gaping hole which allows the acquiring airline to operate the airlines independently, transfer assets from one to another while allowing each individual PEA to expire.
Unions and CBA's are necessary evils.
07-16-2012 | 11:12 PM
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bottom line...
You fly airplanes owned by other people. They will determine what color the airplanes are and what they will do with the money. If it gets bad enough, you'll go somewhere else, if that is better. In the meantime, live below your means and fund your own retirement. As in almost all other jobs, lifetime employment is over. It was always sketchy at best in the airline business...most guys have had 3 different uniforms in their closets.
Plan accordingly.
You fly airplanes owned by other people. They will determine what color the airplanes are and what they will do with the money. If it gets bad enough, you'll go somewhere else, if that is better. In the meantime, live below your means and fund your own retirement. As in almost all other jobs, lifetime employment is over. It was always sketchy at best in the airline business...most guys have had 3 different uniforms in their closets.
Plan accordingly.
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