Originally Posted by Hacker15e (Post 1247051)

It's a figure of speech that says, "the smallest, most basic thing in common between these two (or multiple) things is...."

And that is like the smallest, most basic fractional unit between two fractions -- the LCD.

How is that so difficult to grasp?

Originally Posted by KillingMeSmalls (Post 1247116)

I'm perfectly aware it's a figure of speech. I'm so glad I was able to get one or two redwood rednecks mad about this.

The denominator is just the bottom part of a fraction. It's not a "fractional unit" as you say. I even gave an example above where the LCD was 12. 12 is a bigger number than 1/3 pr 1/4. Twelve. 12 is the LCD. Maybe if I use the words Y'all and such you'd understand me better.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1247004)

I see the present state of merger mania as a large correction from the previously bailed out airlines and their insane RJ real estate bubble buying binge. Pre merger there were way too many massive network carriers with tons of capacity (especially in the way over hyped
businessman wants frequency" RJ feeders) who'se only purpose in existing was to raid the hubs of competitors and cherry pick revenue of key point to point routes. It worked great when one airline had high cost RJ's and few if any other did. But when they all ended up with a massive RJ infestation all they did was bleed one another dry with high CASM insanity.

Had USAir been allowed to liquidate when they should have been, and the precident set that any other would be allowed to follow suit, the industry would have corrected itself without nearly as big a hit to labor and the surviving airlines would have been in a far superior position to fend off the cancerous supernova growth of JetBlue and AirTran. Now here we are, all draged down to the lowest common denominator (I think it was an AA exec that said the industry is only as smart as it's dumbest competitor), the pensions are gone anyway, most Captains make previous FO pay adjusted for inflation and USAir Captains make current FO pay anyway.

But at least the industry is rationalizing its previous level of drasticly excessive competition (which we both agree, one way or another, HAD to be reduced) and the MBA idiocy of "moving the world 50 seats at a time" has been tossed onto the large trash heap of failed airline manager history.

Mergers aren't the problem, but they are (one of many) answers to fixing the broken US airline model. They have to happen to get to where we need to be, yet of course that's not all that needs to happen. I agree that failing carriers need to go away, be they legacy airlines or beloved start ups and so called LCC's crushed by healthy legacys. Either way, we are well beyond a zero sum game with the fantasy order books of the ponzi scheme LCC's and start ups as well as the fairy tale fantasy Howard Hughes wanna be foreigh EGO airlines rushing in head first to out do eachother to be the hero of Farnborough to see who can order a million more A380's and 787's than the other one. Something has to give, and it will.

Airlines that think they will grow and conquer the world will stop growing and be a shall of their former selves. Some will go away entirely. As it should be. I hope you are right though, and as long as the playing field is level on the policy front, let there be no quarter for airlines that can't make it, and let there be no more bailouts. Not for entitled legacy airlines and not for populist so called "low cost" carriers either.

And either way, there needs to be, and there will be, more mergers.

Originally Posted by KillingMeSmalls (Post 1247116)

I'm perfectly aware it's a figure of speech. I'm so glad I was able to get one or two redwood rednecks mad about this.

The denominator is just the bottom part of a fraction. It's not a "fractional unit" as you say. I even gave an example above where the LCD was 12. 12 is a bigger number than 1/3 pr 1/4. Twelve. 12 is the LCD. Maybe if I use the words Y'all and such you'd understand me better.

Originally Posted by qball (Post 1247261)

Unfortunately, in this most "regulated" of "deregulated" industries...where our government looks on airlines as more of a public utility than a business trying to make a profit...IMHO the status quo will continue. The playing field will never be level and natural selection will not be allowed to occur even though it would result in a healthier industry in the long run.

Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1247318)

OMG!! You do understand that 4/12ths is the same as 1/3, even though the "12" is "larger"!!!

Holy Archimedes!!

:eek:

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1241205)

I'm sure Virgin US does have the best service. In fact, their results might be better if they just mailed every customer a crisp $100 bill and said "thanks for flying United." It isn't hard to be popular when your charging nothing for an expensive product.

Making a profit is an entirely different thing.

What Virgin was set up to do, failed. Virgin was unable to drive United out of operation. Eating United is a cost prohibitive big bite that Virgin can't chew...Great airline, I guess. But it is economic nonsense. The surprise is that it has been around this long.