Getting Added to CASS
 

I recently passed my checkride, after which my name was supposedly entered into the CASS system. Any way I can verify this so I don't show up at the airport to hitch a ride and get shot down? Thanks! :)

where did you pass your checkride at?

Call fedex and list your self, then later call back and de list your self as you dont plan on taking the flight.

If your on cass , it will show approved for FedEx right away with the identifier of your airline and your employee number

Good luck ,

And congrats on passing your check ride

Ameriflight :)

Don't bother with Delta. Ameriflight does not have an agreement.

Correct, we recip with Southwest only, but I've talked to pilots who've jumped on Delta, Airways, American and Jetblue...so it's possible, does it just depend on the captain's mood and if there's anyone else waiting to take the seat that you have an agreement with? :confused:

For Gods Sake! Don't bother other airlines people, go to your companies counter when it's manned and not busy and have them check.

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FWIW i was going to check for you but Ameriflight isn't even an option for a carrier to pull up in our cass system here at Jetblue. (unless it would be listed under another name) Good Luck

If you don't have an agreement, don't try it. If you get caught, it is a lot more serious than you think. Best case scenario and the most likely, the agent turns you away without pressing the issue. When the agent can't pull up your airline code, it's a red flag. The absolute worse case scenario is you get on the flight, then someone finds out you should not be on the plane. You can be arrested for trespassing and a security breach at that point.

Your above post is admitting that pilots from your company have stolen seats. If you want jumpseat privileges, work for a company that has jumpseat privileges. Just because you are a pilot does not entitle you to catch free rides on whoever you feel like.

For those of you that don't know, Ameriflight is a 135 outfit.

FWIW.....The following was lifted right off the Ameriflight APC Profile:

JUMPSEAT:
Ameriflight currently has a reciprocal agreement only with Southwest. CASS participant.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't need a reciprocal jumpseat agreement to allow someone on your flight deck.... that recip agreement is a UNION thing. And ***** the union. Check your own FOM/GOM, but if it allows a pilot in the flight deck jumpseat with CASS approval and PIC approval, then welcome aboard!

Buzz Killington notwithstanding, please don't do that. This isn't the 1990's anymore. Jumpseating, even if "just in the cabin" is a big deal and not something you should do for sport just seeing if you can get on. If you don't have an agreement, don't put it on gate agents or pilots to look the other way. Not cool. What you're essentially doing is seeing if you can sneak on in the hopes that someone doesn't know their job and someone else either doesn't know theirs or looks the other way to be cool. Either way you shouldn't be there.

And never, EVER, try and jumpseat offline (even with a recip agreement) when you should be positive space on a company purchased ticket but you'r trying to save your company money. Pilots that do that should be banned for life.

It isn't just a union thing, its an Ops manual thing, signed off by the FAA. Taking unauthorized flight deck jumpseat riders just because you want to be cool, even if its "just some silly technicality" is a BFD. You are not only risking your ticket, but the ability of your airline to even have reciprocal jumpseat agreements. You are risking it for everyone just trying to be a laid back hero to one person that shouldn't even be there in the first place, and knows they shouldn't, but is there anyway just to see if they can put it on you to risk your job and your company's ability to have jumpseaters just so that they can get one free ride.

Somehow I'm not surprised to see this coming from Shyguy

Yikes...didn't realize I'd stir up the hive with this one. I wasn't going to jumpseat just for "sport," I have legitimate purposes, but it seems like staying clear of the drama and sticking to WN would be the way to go. If only they flew out of my home airport :(

I don't mean to come across harsh, but there is no legitimate purpose if it's illegal.

On that note, check your FOM and see what is legal. Don't bring other pilots into this mess if SHTF...

Most at Allegiant will let you on if there's a seat in the back.

It's not illegal to take you without a reciprocal agreement.

Except for stating that Ameriflight is a 135 outfit and as a standalone and obvious statement, yes, just because one is a pilot, doesn't
"entitle" one to a ride......everything you said is wrong. Ameriflight is in CASS and can legally jumpseat. If a carrier lets you ride (reciprocal agreement or not), you're not trespassing and there is no security breach.

PM me Am Flights 2 letter CASS code and your employee number and I'll check for you.

Delta's FOM does not allow jumpseaters to sit in the back without a reciprocal jumpseat agreement. So, at Delta, allowing a pilot to jumpseat in the cabin without a reciprocal jumpseat agreement is going against our FOM and opens one up to enforcement action from the Company and/or the FAA.

Check your ops manual. The last, lowest class of authorized flight deck personnel. CASS approved, PIC approval. What does your say? I'd be surprised to see a "Recip Jumpseat Agreement" as a requirement. That's the whole point of CASS, secured cockpit access system. Recip jumpseat agreements are signed usually between union jumpseat committees.

Just checked. Must be on the recip list as per the FOM.

It's up to the individual airlines, some airlines actually do have language in their manuals specifically allowing Part 135 pilots to ride in the cabin only. So as an Ameriflight pilot it's up to you to find out who you can ride on.

Can't somebody give the guy a straight answer?

Amerijet, as a CASS participant, has a CASS Administrator who is responsible for maintaining the CASS data base for the company. That includes adding qualified employees, updating files as necessary and removing those who are no longer qualified for whatever reason.

It is probably one of the pilots or perhaps someone who works in the Chief Pilot's Office. The CPO should be able to tell you who it is. Just ask him (or her) if he has added you to the data base.

Also, for your information, there is a list of airlines/aviation companies that consider participation in CASS as a reciprocal agreement. Your Administrator should be able to give you that list.

You didn't even use to need CASS to ride in the back? Now the actual j/s of course, but if someone clears security like everyone else then where is the security breach?
I understand wanting to follow the manuals but I think that is something that our companies have set up that was not an actual FAR but as written did receive FAA approval per the manuals so I understand where guys are coming from with that one but if it was a FAR, SWA wouldn't accomadate all these guys.

I know they do though because I worked for a non CASS carrier before and they still allowed cabin only j/s for us.

It just depends on the airline. When I was at Skywest, we could take jumpseaters in the cabin without an agreement. At Delta, we can't.

FOM says only recip can ride. But no list of recip airlines. FAIL.

How in the hell are we supposed to know who is and isn't allowed?

There is a list on dlnet. You can check it pretty quickly at the gate, or print one out every year or so (and if someone says "we were just added" then a quick verification would take 2 minutes).

Recip jumpseat agreements are typically agreed upon by union jumpseat committee members, management isn't really in this.

He doesn't fly for Amerijet. He flies for Ameriflight.

You have to have a ticket to get through security. A 135 badge is not sufficient to just go through security whenever he feels like it. Jumpseating is a 121 thing. There are a few exceptions for 135 carriers that can reciprocate.

So I mis-typed. That does not change the validity of my answer. They still have to have a CASS Administrator, and there is a list of airlines that consider CASS participation as a reciprocal agreement.

Amazing what Google turns up.
CASS Airlines

About a year old, but I'm sure it's still fairly accurate.

There is also:

Jumpseat Information > Home

Also google: ALPA National Jumpseat Committee's Jumpseat Guide

Our FOM requires a recip agreement and has a list of carriers in the manual. I've never understood the spread of wrong information regarding CASS. CASS doesn't mean you can ride for free with another "CASS carrier" (I don't even get that term). It just means you can ride up front if the cabin is full in the back.

From a former Ameriflight pilot, welcome aboard. You will be welcomed on all SWA flights. For what it is worth, all FOM's and airlines view jumpseaters differently. But, all FOM's are FAA approved documents. So, if it is allowed in the FOM, you are allowed if the Captain will agree to take you, even if there is no reciprocal agreement, as long as there is a cabin seat available. My previous two airlines would in fact accept non reciprocal pilots at Captains discretion as long as there were seats in back. The People commenting here are talking about what their specific airline approves, it does not encompass all airlines policy on the issue.

CASS carrier means an airline that participates in CASS, pretty simple. I know for a fact that in 2008 there was a list of carriers that considered participation in CASS as a reciprocal agreement. It was about 1/4 to 1/3 of the total list, mostly smaller pax airlines and freight dogs. It is possible that has changed, but I have no way of confirming either way, as I am no longer employed directly by an air carrier.

How would one go abouit riding a jumpseat on Ameriflight?
Cass necessary?
Is there a published schedule?

Actually the entire concept of jumpseat is a union thing. It evolved from the unions and has been maintained by union airlines. When the TSA decided that the jumpseat was gone forever in 2001 it was once again the unions that spent a ton of money and effort getting it restored. By yeah *****the union. What a uneducated post.