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8hourrule 08-21-2012 03:35 PM

Buddy Pass Saga
 
Enemy passes.

airbus300 08-21-2012 03:38 PM

"JetBlue continues to remain silent on allegations made by passenger Gokhan Mutlu that he was reportedly forced to cede his seat to a flight attendant and was told by the plane’s pilot to “go hang out in the bathroom.” The infuriated passenger’s story appeared in newspapers around the world, with an especially detailed report in the Guardian. Mutlu has filed a $2 million lawsuit against the American carrier, for allegedly having to spend more than three hours sitting on the toilet, without a seatbelt, even during turbulence. Multi described his alleged ordeal as “extreme humiliation” and “tremendous fear.”

JetBlue allowed Mutlu to board a flight that had been completely booked and a flight attendant had decided to give him her seat, instead agreeing to sit on a jump seat. Yet an hour and a half into a five hour flight from San Diego to New York City, the flight attendant allegedly became uncomfortable and Mutlu was told that he would have to give up his place. When the passenger asked where he should go, he was allegedly pointed in the direction of the washroom.

Mutlu’s lawsuit also claims that JetBlue’s pilot then came out and confirmed that the passenger was to “hang out” in the toilet and that he should simply be “grateful to be onboard.” The lawsuit, filed in Manhattan, goes on to claim that JetBlue contravened federal laws by leaving Mutlu in the washroom, without a seatbelt, during turbulence. Only after allegedly spending several hours in the washroom, was Mutlu finally permitted to return to his seat. "

wrxpilot 08-21-2012 03:45 PM

Yep, morons. I wouldn't wish a buddy pass on my worst enemy... I've had friends ask for them, and I just won't do it. They complete understand when I explain why... Hell, I hate having my own Mom ride on my pass, it's stressful as hell.

MoarAlpha 08-21-2012 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by airbus300 (Post 1249387)
Did the Jetblue buddy pass rider win his lawsuit against Jetblue for having to sit on the toilet?

JetBlue's Jet Blues
Buddy Pass Passenger Takes His Seat on the Toilet

From Arlene Fleming, former About.com Guide

The incident of a passenger who was allegedly forced to sit on a toilet for several hours on a cross-country JetBlue flight is an interesting one. It has had a lot of media play as the affected passenger has decided to sue the airline.

What doesn't seem to get as much play is the fact that the passenger was traveling on a buddy pass - essentially, a standby pass.

Most airlines have pass privileges for employees, and some sort of allotment of passes for non-airline personnel. An airline employee is able to give a pass then to a friend or family member to fly at a very reduced rate, on a standby basis. These standby passes are not always easy to use as seats are only allotted after every revenue passenger is put on the flight, and then the vast majority of airlines start doling out the remaining seats on a seniority basis.

The order is usually employee/partner/spouse, dependents, parents, and then buddy pass travel. So it seems in this incident an employee agreed to take a jump seat so that someone with a much lower priority made it on the flight. It appears too, that if the employee hadn't taken the jump seat, the passenger suing JetBlue would not have made it on the flight at all.

So who is to blame? There are a lot of parties involved.

Should the employee who took the jump seat have been allowed to rescind that offer during the flight because the jump seat wasn't comfortable? Probably not, what isn't as clear is if any laws were broken, or whether it violated JetBlue policy for staff travel.

Is the crew of the flight to blame? I would say the jury is out. In the airline industry in general, the captain often has the last word in scenarios that involve their flights, particularly once it is taken off the bridge and is now in active status. Their plane is is their jurisdiction. This doesn't always mean they'll make the "right" decision, but they have to consider safety standards and make a choice. In this situation, it would be interesting to know whether the captain was clearly aware that said passenger would be relegated to the lavatory for a good portion of the flight.

Should the employee who gave the buddy pass be blamed? It is hard to know whether the employee clearly made the rules of standby travel known to the passenger who used a pass, but certainly an incident of sitting on a toilet for part of a flight was not a possibility that an airline employee would think was even possible.

Should the airline be blamed? If the toilet seating option is one that is not clearly banned by the airline regarding employee standby travel, then perhaps they will need to clarify contingent travel rules for their employees, and their respective buddies.

Should the passenger share in the blame? It's difficult to know exactly what happened. Whether a jump seat might have been offered, or whether a seat was secured for the essential take-off and landing periods.

I do think that suing for a huge amount of money is a bit off base when traveling on a buddy pass. I am not condoning the treatment of the passenger, but honestly when I travel on an employee pass I usually feel grateful to get a seat. I know that until the door of that aircraft closes, we've pushed from the gate, and are airborne, that my seat could be taken away for a revenue passenger, or someone with a higher staff travel priority than me.

Those on buddy passes don't often understand this part of pass travel - that your seat is not guaranteed, that you simply are not always afforded the same treatment of a paying passenger. Granted, it being a seat on the toilet is shocking, and the safety issue of it is what needs to be the focus.

I suppose I would feel the multimillion dollar suit would be justified if this was a regular, revenue passenger, but having used employee travel passes for well over a dozen years, I don't know if that kind of monetary compensation is warranted.

I bet this employee's pass privileges have all been revoked now. What an ******* of a friend to go back and sue.

airbus300 08-21-2012 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoarAlpha (Post 1249397)
I bet this employee's pass privileges have all been revoked now. What an ******* of a friend to go back and sue.


I would be worried if I was the JetBlue employee issuing the buddy passes in both cases. From the kind of attitude expressed you would have thought that they bought the buddy passes on craigslist or something. In both cases it is a PR nightmare. (Only giving the kid 1 meal per day for 4 days because they cannot afford food?)

Senior Skipper 08-21-2012 04:40 PM

Am I a bad person if I don't feel bad for them at all? They took the risk of travelling on a heavily discounted ticket. You can't go back and complain that there's no space for you on board.

I'll also bet that in a situation like this, they insisted on travelling as a group of 4. Use some common sense, either buy a ticket or visit greyhound.com

lolwut 08-21-2012 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 1249434)
Am I a bad person if I don't feel bad for them at all? They took the risk of travelling on a heavily discounted ticket. You can't go back and complain that there's no space for you on board.

I'll also bet that in a situation like this, they insisted on travelling as a group of 4. Use some common sense, either buy a ticket or visit greyhound.com

I don't feel bad for them one bit. In fact, I'd like to join in with the mentioned fellow travelers and laugh at them.

On a related note, buddy pass kitty just saw the door close without him.

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Going2Baja 08-21-2012 04:48 PM

Way to go providing a BP to a non-hub destination....Tool!.

Baja.

DogWhisperer 08-21-2012 05:48 PM

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captjns 08-21-2012 06:11 PM

I nominate Curtis Saxton, and his wife as "TOOLS OF THE DAY". Further, I nominate them for the Charles Darwin Award too.

Calling these two stupid is an insult to those who are just plain stupid.

I also nominate the animated TV reporter, who wasted Mommy and Daddy's hard money on college, as BONE HEAD OF THE DAY, for not bringing to light the terms and conditions of the evil "Buddy Pass".


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