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80ktsClamp 08-27-2012 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1252324)
Just curios, but of those demographics that were hired summer summer 2010, how'd those numbers look?



That's a given and never been in dispute. Hence the conversion factors, etc.

There was a small group hired in 2010 and I'm not sure about the data. I do know it was primarily RJ captains and flows with some military and high time regional FOs.

DLpilot 08-27-2012 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by N261ND (Post 1252344)
But we can't give someone with 7000 hours in the right seat at Comair or Horizon a "shot" right?....Bull$hit.

If you couldn't get your PIC time before fulfilling your obligation in the military, tough. Go to a regional like everyone else and pay your dues. Someone flying for a brand should have a path to that brand before a military pilot, especially one without PIC time.

I disagree. A military pilot has more than paid their dues. Months away from home, flying in hostile territories, protecting our freedom...enough said.

USMCFLYR 08-27-2012 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by N261ND (Post 1252344)
If you couldn't get your PIC time before fulfilling your obligation in the military, tough. Go to a regional like everyone else

Absolutely! Whether it is the 1500 TT for the ATP or any particular part of the requirements - if you don't have it leaving the military - find it.


and pay your dues.
On this point you couldn't be more wrong.
Anyone who has served their country for any amount of time honorably has paid more dues than 99.5% of the rest of Americans.

USMCFLYR

xjtguy 08-27-2012 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1252348)
People with high time right seat are being given a chance much more now than in earlier times.

At carriers that DON'T have a pic requirement. In a feeble attempt to keep the thread on track, I seriously doubt the carriers that currently have it will abolish it. Despite the impending "pilot shortage".

Contray to popular belief, the leading LCC carrier and freight carrier never had a problem filling spots pre 9/11. They also didn't have their "place to be/holy grail status" at that time either.

I've ALWAYS thought they're good jobs, but if you took a poll the general pilot populace back then, many didn't see it that way.

If a guy in the crew room just mentioned he had a class date at either the usual dipsh1t ignorant response was either "you know DAL/UAL/AA/USair is hiring, right?" or "what's the matter, screw up your interview at DAL/UAL/AA/USair?"

xjtguy 08-27-2012 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1252355)
On this point you couldn't be more wrong. Anyone who has served their country for any amount of time honorably has paid more dues than 99.5% of the rest of Americans.

USMCFLYR

Agree 100%!!!!!!!

But the overall pilot mentality (regardless of background) of "I paid my dues doing (insert whatever here) so I'm entitled to a job" is something that seriously needs to go.

ShyGuy 08-27-2012 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by ARL120384 (Post 1252310)
5,000 hours in the right seat at a regional must be worth something.....

Amen! And not one chance at an upgrade opportunity.

coryk 08-27-2012 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1252363)
At carriers that DON'T have a pic requirement. In a feeble attempt to keep the thread on track, I seriously doubt the carriers that currently have it will abolish it. Despite the impending "pilot shortage".

Contray to popular belief, the leading LCC carrier and freight carrier never had a problem filling spots pre 9/11. They also didn't have their "place to be/holy grail status" at that time either.

I've ALWAYS thought they're good jobs, but if you took a poll the general pilot populace back then, many didn't see it that way.

If a guy in the crew room just mentioned he had a class date at either the usual dipsh1t ignorant response was either "you know DAL/UAL/AA/USair is hiring, right?" or "what's the matter, screw up your interview at DAL/UAL/AA/USair?"

I don't get it? MOST of the airlines don't have a TPIC requirement. The one's that do, SWA and FedEx probably won't ever get ride of it, that's fine. Not everyone wants to fly for SWA or FedEx.

I think the majority of the people out there would rather go to the DAL/UAL/USA/AA/B6/etcetc than the above.

N261ND 08-27-2012 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1252369)
Agree 100%!!!!!!!

But the overall pilot mentality (regardless of background) of "I paid my dues doing (insert whatever here) so I'm entitled to a job" is something that seriously needs to go.

What??? You just completely contradicted yourself.

N261ND 08-27-2012 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1252348)
People with high time right seat are being given a chance much more now than in earlier times. Try improving your attitude and respect those who serve as well.

Just because I don't think certain military pilots should be given preferential hiring doesn't mean I don't respect those who serve.

I recently had a Delta captain (ex-Marine pilot) tell me he didn't know what an ILS was when he was hired at Delta. This $hit has got to stop.

BOGSAT 08-27-2012 05:10 PM


5,000 hours in the right seat at a regional must be worth something.....
Industry average - about 35K year?

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