Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew
(Post 1270653)
And you fail to realize that SENIORITY is a union matter!! If ANYONE tries to ram the NIC down OUR throats, we will sue EVERYBODY also!! You see there are roughly 2600 east pilots who's union's merger policy explicitly states DOH. This union was voted in by a MAJORITY!!...and its By-laws are NOW binding on the membership.....including YOU...
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Ok.. So whats next?
The east has time on their side. Our last 190 capt is a 2004 hire!! Next year retirements pick up and 5 new 330s come on line. How long is the west willing to wait?? |
Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew
(Post 1270675)
Ok.. So whats next?
The east has time on their side. Our last 190 capt is a 2004 hire!! Next year retirements pick up and 5 new 330s come on line. How long is the west willing to wait?? |
Originally Posted by cactiboss
(Post 1270697)
You do have that on your side, management has obviously picked you guys as the winners.
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Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew
(Post 1270653)
And you fail to realize that SENIORITY is a union matter!! If ANYONE tries to ram the NIC down OUR throats, we will sue EVERYBODY also!! You see there are roughly 2600 east pilots who's union's merger policy explicitly states DOH. This union was voted in by a MAJORITY!!...and its By-laws are NOW binding on the membership.....including YOU...
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The real question is what is Parker's best option now ?
Clearly, the two sides are unlikely to agree on anything. No dog in this fight (yet), but if Parker is willing to negotiate a CBA with the recognized union and that union (right or wrong) includes an SLI that is not the Nic, as long as he or U can't be sued, he'd probably be ok with that (not sure if that's possible though). Of course, then the west would sue USAPA for DFR which would take 5-7 years and may be defunct by then anyway in the event of a merger. This show is almost as interesting as ours is. We're back in negotiations and if a deal comes through, it will likely weaken Parker's chances of an AA merger before BK exit here. Then, just to make a deal, it may result in Parker fragmenting US Airways to AA and others just to achieve some viable path going forward or he may simply elect to kick the can himself and live with the division until some resolution presents itself or most of the U easties retire. After all, he is at least making money. |
Originally Posted by texaspilot76
(Post 1270727)
I'm pretty sure that binding arbitration legally overrides your unions adopted by-laws. Binding arbitration was agreed to by both sides, and just because the outcome was not to your liking, you cannot go back and change it after the fact. It would be like losing all your money at the blackjack table, then demanding the casino give your money back.
The Nic award brought to light the pitfalls and inadequacies of the ALPO merger process. As of recent, a new process (MAc/Bond) has now been implemented in order to AVOID a "Nic redo"... All pilot groups aim to benefit from this. Binding arbitration is accepted, as long as it follows certain merger guidelines. It's final product MUST be "Fair and Equitable" on BOTH groups. The Nic award fell well short of its required goal, even under ALPO merger guidelines.. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1270742)
as long as he or U can't be sued, \.
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
(Post 1270727)
I'm pretty sure that binding arbitration legally overrides your unions adopted by-laws. Binding arbitration was agreed to by both sides, and just because the outcome was not to your liking, you cannot go back and change it after the fact. It would be like losing all your money at the blackjack table, then demanding the casino give your money back.
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
(Post 1270747)
That's just it, they went to court to get immunity from being sued for accepting usapa's list and the judge didn't give it to them. The east is running around claiming victory but they won absolutely nothing as the company is still liable if they deviate from the Nic.
Sounds like his best bet is to kick the can for 5 years while east pilots gradually flop over while waiting for another option to present itself. If we clear C11 with a CBA and this management still in charge, it will be this management that calls the shots on AA's future, for better or worse and U may not be in that plan. |
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