So since you are retired,happy and have good liquor, what about this situation gets you so passionate that you would call us "retards? "

R57,

Sewerpipe makes Boeingboy look like a wise old man. Apparently being a liquered up divorce attorney from Texas that lost his medical 8 years ago due to heart disease (or retired as he sees it) and who knows a couple of American pilots more than qualifies him to discuss what is going on at US Airways. If you read his 16 posts (joined in October), you will realize that he doesn't understand the Railway Labor Act, thinks unions are unprofessional (to quote: "unions are for garbage men"), has no understanding of what it takes to get hired at a major airline in today's environment, and in fact, its not clear that he ever flew for a major airline. But hey, that's never stopped anyone from having an opinion on an Internet message board.

I'm not an airline pilot. Heck I'm not even human.

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Lolwut,

I may not always agree with you, but that's some funny stuff there! You might just make it to a major one day.

[QUOTE=cactiboss;1286344]Looks like the company isn't ready to give up.

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Decl...for_relief.pdf

West response

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Decl..._60_Motion.pdf

This is yet another not so thinly veiled attempt on the part of USAirways management to avoid any contract negotiations with its own employees. Parker is only interested in negotiating with the weak- employees who have already been crushed by another management group. I would say that Parker is one despicable man, but using the word “man” to describe Doug Parker disgraces the human race. There is no doubt that the courts will rule against the company but the results are the same- the delays will keep coming. Hopefully the NMB will find a modicum of decency and finally call an end to USAirways constant manipulation of the RLA and the courts to circumvent the negotiation process. More importantly, the pilots at USAirways will always remember that a contract NEVER ends, it merely becomes amendable for the employee. The company can and will always have bankruptcy laws, elastic math and outsourcing threats when they want to “amend” a contract. NEVER FORGET. The company must not be rewarded for these delays. Retroactive pay is mandatory.

And since the company brought it up- by all means let's talk about a "Hobson's choice" - one like LOA 93. In fact it is precisely a Hobson's choice that the company is working on now. Take the deal that we work out with American or nothing at all.
If the company were so intensely worried about the legal ramifications of a contract that either one side or the other would prosecute, then why didn't they at least try to put enough money on the table to encourage enough defectors from both sides?

Whats not to like about these guys??

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Because some of you are you dying to know why they're dressed like that:

To many assumptions on your part. Easy now to understand the US Air problems.
First of all I am not a divorce attorney. But they are not difficult to handle and for select friends I do so. Yes I lost my medical due to heart disease 8 years ago. Sold the 421. And retired on my disability insurance and retirement which was quite substantial. I have forgotten more about labor law than you even know exist. But I don't care to keep up with new case law anymore. I know enough about US Air but those opinions were not my own. My friends at AA expressed this. Paraphrased but accurate. Certainly I did not fly at a major. I got out of a Sewerpipe and never looked back. As far as MY opinion of the unions for Professional Pilots? This reply from Night Hawk 6 summed it up very well.

"APA leadership(?) out of touch, say it ain't so. Unfortunately the membership is out of touch as are most members of the airline pilot profession. Relying on negotiating tactics and associations designed in the 1930's for a regulated industry is what is out of touch. Working under the thumb of government regulations written in 1926 is out of touch. Pilots refuse to take the action necessary to protect and promote their profession thus you see pilots reduced to bus driver status in the eyes of their employers, fellow employees and the general public. The entire pilot profession should have taken action the moment the first pilot lost the first dime due to a bankruptcy ruling, but we all know what happened, nothing. Very sad."

Pilots are some of the most intelligent people working. Both my friends would astound anybody with a brain with the depth of their knowledge. They both hate what has happened to this industry and cannot wait to get out. So enjoy your life and I suspect you will not be happy camper in the future as you already seem defensive and angry. Life is too short.

Going to the lodge! Deer hunting starts today and it will be a great two weeks! Great hunting, great food and great drink and even better company. Including my two best friends at AA. Good day to all.

Your post explains everything.

1. You never made it past a 19 seat metroliner (first of my 8 types by the way), but you know what is best for US Airways and American pilots, not to mention others here seeking to get on with a major.

2. You claim that pilots are some of the most intelligent people working, but your two buddies at American used you to handle their divorces, yet you hold no law degree of any kind. Some of the smartest people I ever knew didn't have a lick of common sense. I'd say your buddies qualify.

3. You claim that you "know more about labor law than you even know exist" (I'm sure that quote from you was grey goose induced). Funny thing is, you don't understand the most basic principles of the pilot contracts at US Airways, America West, or American. You suggested that Doug Parker could buy American and just "milk US Air of its assets. Cherry pick what he wants and get rid of the deadweight." Lucky for all involved, both US Airways pilots and the former America West pilots have these things called "contracts" that are governed by the Railway Labor Act. Each contains fleet minimums and block hour minimums (which both groups are already at) to prevent the Eastern Airlines/Lorenzo tactics that you just suggested. Easy to see how you feel about unions. You'd have fit right in with Lorenzo and Icahn.

4. You told another pilot looking for advice on what he should do to make it to a major that he should quit his Biz jet captain job and join a commuter to "build up his time". He already had over 3000 total time and 800 PIC Turbine. Seriously??? The PIC turbine time is extremely more valuable than total time droning around in the right seat of an RJ. Just ask any RJ f/o that has 5000 total time and no PIC turbine.

5. As far as your friends at AA that can't wait to get out. Ask them what is stopping them. Did they lose too much money in the divorces you handled for them? There are plenty of guys that would love to see them get out of the way. I still love my job. Should I make more? Sure, but I like the people I work with and look forward to going to work (when I actually have to go). The money is going back up. I have 23 more years to recover what I've lost. (Yes. I was born the year you started flying)

6. I am far from defensive and angry. Today is the 3rd and I only have one more trip this month (vacation). Wide body F/O life is good. Will it get better? Absolutely. :) However, when I see someone who is obviously clueless as far as this profession goes giving people blatantly horrible advice and speculating on things they don't even understand, I have to call them out on it. Hearsay from your buddies is not admissible in court of law.

7. You self admitted to drinking heavily while posting. I have to give you credit there. Lots of people post much more coherently after drinking copious amounts of alcohol.

Enjoy your deer hunting trip. My rifle already has a doe and a buck this year. One thing I will agree on with you is that "life is short". Take care of that "ticker" of yours, watch the booze, and get a little exercise. You just might live a little longer.