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Originally Posted by Bbourne2009 (Post 1280234)

I'm not against fighting for something I believe is wrong but if its an issue of wearing a hat or not, why not just wear it if the people who pay you say it's required?

Some people think it looks good. Some people think its outdated. Pax may think it makes you look professional. (I know a guy who refuses to fly without a captain that has gray hair because he thinks it means they are experienced) Pilots know the hat is not what's flying the airplane (the autopilot is :cool:). The way you act and do your job is more of a reason to consider someone professional or not. Now on the other hand, the hat.......... Well it's just that. A hat. What's the big deal. There's more important things in life to be worried about. Unless its to heavy and making your neck hurt or squeezing against your temple giving you headaches before flight. I don't see what the big deal is for arguing/negotiating with your employer.

My personal view.... I'm gonna wear whatever uniform is required by the employer paying my bills and spend more time (if necessary) negotiating things that matter more.

It's a hat....... -___-

But like i said I'm not hear to argue with anyone. I'm just a low time flight instructor who doesn't know a thing about anything in the airline world. Please feel free to help me understand how this thread got to double digit pages of replies about a hat.

Fly safe everyone

Brandon

I don't like the hat, but I wear it because they tell me to.

Here's my beef with it:

1) We deadhead frequently. No matter how carefully you put that big Ralph Kramden hat in the overhead bin, some pax will rearrange things and your hat ends up being crushed by a rollaboard.

2) When they survey they ask if the hat looks professional. How about asking if the hat factors in your decision to fly one airline over another!

3) The decision to make the hat mandatory is made by someone in an air conditioned office who never wears a hat. Just like the summer Harry made the horse blanket mandatory.

Feel free to add more

If I were king, I'd make it optional. That way if you feel you need the hat to look professional or identifiable, you can.
Not a uniform then, you say? How many uniform options do our FAs have? I'd guess at least 10, including an optional hat!

No hat.... looks like an FA.....

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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver (Post 1280297)

I don't like the hat, but I wear it because they tell me to.

1) We deadhead frequently. No matter how carefully you put that big Ralph Kramden hat in the overhead bin, some pax will rearrange things and your hat ends up being crushed by a rollaboard.

There's a simple and obvious solution to this. Wait until the overhead are loaded. Then find a place for your hat. No matter how full they are, there is always a place for something as small as a hat.

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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver (Post 1280297)

2) When they survey they ask if the hat looks professional. How about asking if the hat factors in your decision to fly one airline over another!

Would you turn down a decent job with an airline just because a hat is required as part of the uniform? Otherwise, it's irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver (Post 1280297)

3) The decision to make the hat mandatory is made by someone in an air conditioned office who never wears a hat. Just like the summer Harry made the horse blanket mandatory.

So what? They also make many other decisions that don't require that they know what it's like to fly the line. Making such decisions is their job. It is our job to comply with rules, whether they are federal regulations or company policy. Besides, many arguments can be made about how our decisions in our "air conditioned" cockpits, houses, etc. affect others without knowing what it's like to be in their shoes.

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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver (Post 1280297)

Feel free to add more

If I were king, I'd make it optional. That way if you feel you need the hat to look professional or identifiable, you can.
Not a uniform then, you say? How many uniform options do our FAs have? I'd guess at least 10, including an optional hat!

We're not FA's. I am sure rampers' "uniform options" are plentiful as well.

I wear the hat. I have beautiful, lustrous hair that I condition with the tears of baby elephants, so I don't like the hat.

This issue is not important enough to me to affect my career choices, but it's something fun to gripe about when there isn't a contract on the table.

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Originally Posted by rgoeasy (Post 1278176)

I hate wearing that damn hat and will adviod it all cost!

As a protest, rgoeasy is also going to quit spelling words correctly and stop using grammar as intended. That will show them how serious I am !

G'Luck to you Mate:)

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Originally Posted by Snarge (Post 1280306)

No hat.... looks like an FA.....

Morbidly obese CA in double breasted suit......looks like morbidly obese CA in double breasted suit. They really need to focus more on weight standards and appearance otherwise it's a double standard.
Eves dropping on pax, I hear "Jesus Christ, look how fat that guy is" much more than "He looks unprofessional without the hat.". Now, which appearance is more unprofessional?

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Originally Posted by Bbourne2009 (Post 1280234)

I'm not at an airline or anything so maybe I'm in over my head by saying this and by no means am I trying to argue with anyone; but how did a thank you post for looking professional get any more than two pages of responses?

I'm not against fighting for something I believe is wrong but if its an issue of wearing a hat or not, why not just wear it if the people who pay you say it's required?

Some people think it looks good. Some people think its outdated. Pax may think it makes you look professional. (I know a guy who refuses to fly without a captain that has gray hair because he thinks it means they are experienced) Pilots know the hat is not what's flying the airplane (the autopilot is :cool:). The way you act and do your job is more of a reason to consider someone professional or not. Now on the other hand, the hat.......... Well it's just that. A hat. What's the big deal. There's more important things in life to be worried about. Unless its to heavy and making your neck hurt or squeezing against your temple giving you headaches before flight. I don't see what the big deal is for arguing/negotiating with your employer.

My personal view.... I'm gonna wear whatever uniform is required by the employer paying my bills and spend more time (if necessary) negotiating things that matter more.

It's a hat....... -___-

But like i said I'm not hear to argue with anyone. I'm just a low time flight instructor who doesn't know a thing about anything in the airline world. Please feel free to help me understand how this thread got to double digit pages of replies about a hat.

Fly safe everyone

Brandon

This is the internet. Thread drift is normal. Hats are a contentious issue at DAL and everything eventually gets back to it.

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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope (Post 1280279)

What would not have been so funny and perhaps left your FO "speachless" would have been if the LCA had DQ'ed him....And since you as Captain are charged with ensuring your crew adheres to uniform standards, it might not have seemed so priceless...

"DQ'ed" for spelling. :)

Speechless.....

How's about a joke about the DAL uni?

What's 2' long, black and hangs in front of an a***ole?

The tie on a Delta pilot...

Don't shoot the messenger. ;)

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Originally Posted by putzin (Post 1280543)

"DQ'ed" for spelling. :)

Speechless.....

That is why "speachless" was in quotation marks, it was a jab (childish I admit) at the previous poster's misspelling...but thanks for playing.