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Sliceback 12-29-2012 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by hair-on-fire (Post 1320100)
I've flown with guys like you. I especially liked the guy who told me that the FMS computed climb speeds weren't the best ones to use as he'd computed out his own climb schedule.

Too damn funny. Company came up with policy of inputting CLB and DES speeds and only using CI speed for cruise. Why? Because of their analysis of the CI produced data.

Sometimes the other guy might be right. :eek:

D B Cooper 12-29-2012 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by atr42flyer (Post 1319231)
Anyone have any knowledge of what gets your turned faster towards your intended route?

we departed today on 31L Canarsie climb destination SFO, They typically fly you in the opposite direction for a bit before turning you to join your airway.

What is better climb faster/slower indicated or faster indicated and possible lower climb rate, in order to get the turn to the airway?

I always thought it was distance so flying faster would be better, but the guy I was flying with today thought a getting higher faster was better.

Both make sense to me, why would you want to blast off 300kts in the wrong direction right? but if you don't get the turn until X amount of miles from the airport then wouldn't getting there faster be better?

Want a quick way out west tell dispatch to file you over RBV instead of Gayel or Coate.

MD88Driver 12-29-2012 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1320113)
You're doing it wrong! :eek:

When you are in NYC airspace, and they ask you for your speed, you say, "What's it to you? You got a problem? You want to know my speed? How's it feel to want!" and the F/O should look at you and say, "Tell him I got his fkng speed, right here!" and grab his crotch. And when they hand you off to BOS, be sure you sign off with, "Contact Boston on 128.5, and the Yankees still suck!":D

Post of the year! Well done, Sir. Happy New Year to all.

captjns 12-29-2012 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by atr42flyer (Post 1319231)
Anyone have any knowledge of what gets your turned faster towards your intended route?

we departed today on 31L Canarsie climb destination SFO, They typically fly you in the opposite direction for a bit before turning you to join your airway.

What is better climb faster/slower indicated or faster indicated and possible lower climb rate, in order to get the turn to the airway?

I always thought it was distance so flying faster would be better, but the guy I was flying with today thought a getting higher faster was better.

Both make sense to me, why would you want to blast off 300kts in the wrong direction right? but if you don't get the turn until X amount of miles from the airport then wouldn't getting there faster be better?

Nothing. If you get paid by the minute, let them send you to HTO before they turn you around.

Timbo 12-29-2012 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by MD88Driver (Post 1320466)
Post of the year! Well done, Sir. Happy New Year to all.


Thanks. I spent my first 20 years in aviation flying from BOS-NYC. I've found that if you talk to them in their own language, you'll get much better handling! :D One night I said, "Can I have direct PVD, or should I just go fk myself?" When he stopped laughing, I got direct BOS!

And Happpy New Year to all, I'll be up there in the stratosphere at midnight, heading to Tokyo, leave on 31, chase the sun all day, and land on 01, I'll miss the party, but I have no doubt some of you will take up the slack for me! ;)

captjns 12-29-2012 09:04 PM

DXB for two days. Land before the fun begins on the 31st with friends from EK. Heck of a job but somebody's gotta do it.

Timbo 12-30-2012 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 1320577)
DXB for two days. Land before the fun begins on the 31st with friends from EK. Heck of a job but somebody's gotta do it.

I was laying over there two years ago on New years's eve. We got to see the fireworks coming off the Burj Khalifa from our own hotel, out on the balcony.

It was a great show, but if you are going to actually try to go down to the Birj to see it, you have to get down there very early, like noon! The traffic on the roads that we could see from our balcony was not even moving from about 10pm on. They all had to sit in their cars, while we had a great view from our hotel.

Here's a sample from that night in 2011:

New Years Eve in Dubai - Burj Khalifa 2011 - YouTube

okbk 12-31-2012 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by lolwut (Post 1319234)
You're going all the way to SFO and worried about what you can do to make one turn on the departure faster? (and you won't be able to change it by much...)

My guess is no matter what you do, you won't be able to notice it by the time you get there. Just fly your company's profile and airspeeds like everyone else. Its easier.

If you're a commuter and it's your last leg and you're trying to catch a commute back East, sometimes a little thing like this will make the difference. In this case an early turn west combined with setting "commuting" mach, you can get in the front of the west bound flow and then when you get to OAL instead of having to slow to 250, ATC will keep you fast since you are in the front of the pack, thus allowing you to make your commute home that night by mere minutes....it's happened to me a few times ;)

Klsytakesit 12-31-2012 10:58 PM


Originally Posted by atr42flyer (Post 1319238)
Im not worried, I was curious thank you Mr. Checkairman

I do fly the profile, but today this guy wanted to climb at green dot so it got me thinking.

Well.. you are the copilot... so do what the dude wants.....the better chameleon you are the better your life is...life would all around be better if copilots would improve their chameleon skills.....

80ktsClamp 01-01-2013 12:02 AM


Originally Posted by Klsytakesit (Post 1321711)
Well.. you are the copilot... so do what the dude wants.....the better chameleon you are the better your life is...life would all around be better if copilots would improve their chameleon skills.....

It all depends on the guy's logic. Sometimes passive aggressiveness can have a hilarious effect.

A green dot climb out of JFK doesn't make much sense. The heavies out of there are running around at 280 knots just to suck up the slats.

I always go diplomatic first, and then ease on the logic. If that doesn't take, then I'll start to have fun with them. :) Unless they buy all the beer. Then there is a bit more leeway...


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