...make 'em an offer they can't refuse.
So sorry to hear for the Pinnacle piolts.

That doesn't even make sense....How is ALPA eating ALPA? Love to know how you get that from PCL's situation....

A flying for a "contractor"/"wet lease" company is always going to be at the whim of the employer (i.e. major airline). When your employer is in Ch.11 your fate rests with the creditors/DIP financier. This has NOTHING to do with pilot unions.

What do you mean? Transfer flying to Pinnacle?

It's not a conflict of interest? Then what is it? Do you know what is happening over there? Open your eyes please. They are also both represented by ALPA? You even argue my point?

Define your perceived "conflict" and I'd be happy to rationally debate it. I do happen to know what is happening over there. My eyes are wide open, I'd truly like to understand what it is you are seeing out of this. The representational agent has nothing to do with this. For example: GM, Ford, and Delphi workers have different factories represented by the same union... Nobody there complains of representational conflict of interest.

That's no longer true if the Pinnacle TA passes.
Delta will be forced to interview some folks that have no business being there.

Even the most strident ALPA guys I fly with--even a couple of current and former committee chairmen--reluctantly admit there is a gross conflict of interest when mainline pilots subsidize pilot groups who are trying to undercut them.

Pinnacle's agreement is probably the milepost which the end of ALPA will be measured.

An express carrier will "own" mainline flying enforceable by contract with the mainline parent. Permitted flying has been transferred under contract and is now committed to an express carrier. These negotiations were done with the mainline pilots locked out the room. President Moak intends to cram Pinnacle scope down on to the Delta pilots.

If this were part of a "dream" to improve express pay by gaining them their own scope it might be a good thing, but, Pinnacle's committed aircraft are tied to their bankruptcy concessions. Further, six months after the Pinnacle amenable date, the commitment disappears. Due to the length of the Pinnacle contract, the Pinnacle scope will supersede Delta's next bargaining cycle.

Even if ALPA does survive this move far beyond what the Ford-Cooksey plaintiffs wished to achieve, ALPA's ability to bargain for mainline carriers will be severely compromised as they no longer enjoy autonomy and exclusivity with their management.

Delta mainline is officially now just a DCI carrier.

I have to agree with Bar about the dangers of this precedent.
If Moak does this thing, the Delta pilots will live to regret the day we allowed another pilot group to establish their own scope clause with Delta management.
It will undermine our Section 1 in a fundamental way.

So is there anyone left on the planet that believes ALPA is actually there for the pilots, and not itself?