Originally Posted by txbusdriver (Post 1348059)

Our peer set as determined by the PVC and JetBlue. No offense but you really need to do your homework.

Originally Posted by Trkytr (Post 1348065)

Well no offense, but tell me which companies and airplanes at those companies are in our peer set. Do you even know?

Originally Posted by Trkytr (Post 1348019)

Sub standard, sub standard, sub standard. I am getting tired of hearing it. What exactly is sub standard? Do you even know what the other carriers get. How do our 190 guys compare to the other carriers that fly the 190? Is the 320 a little less? Yes. But what do you get in exchange for that. Can you get to the bus is 2 years? Yes. Can you be a Captain in 6 years? Yes. Is 6 year captain pay on the 190 better than 6 year FO pay on the bus anywhere? I am assuming yes. I would really like to know what it is that you want to be better. Do you want to be a 6 year captain on the Bus making what a Bus captain makes at other carriers but it took them 15 years? We all want better, do you have a way to make things better? What do we have to give up to get there? Or do you just think ALPA will come in with a magic wand and make everything perfect, cause that is not going to happen.

Originally Posted by Trkytr (Post 1348064)

Not quite the point I was making. If you got hired by any other carrier ( the 5 top payers that you like to compare JetBlue to, not to mention all the other companies) 10 years ago where would you be? Your quality of life, pay, and seniority would be no where close to what it is at JetBlue. Don't twist my words. When someone joins a new company, and that is still what JetBlue is, there are trade offs. The benefits I just made clear. The negitives you made clear. So it is really your choice where you go. You can't have the Captain pay and the seniority of taxibus driver after 10 years at delta, but you will get other things there you don't get here. Those things will come, most of us our young and we have time. Worst mistake in this line of work is to rush higher compensation. Bankruptcy and furloughs is not a good thing. Oh, and that also means growth stops, which is key right now. For as smart as you think you are sometimes I wonder if your retarded, or are you that brainwashed?

Originally Posted by txbusdriver (Post 1348068)

Go on the PVC website... It's probably there. If not contact your silo rep. If you are going to defend this company you should educate yourself. I'm done. It's not that hard to figure out and yes they used common type and size of aircraft.

Originally Posted by alvrb211 (Post 1348069)

You can NOT make Captain on the Bus in 6 years. Even if you could, it still wouldn't make up for all the other shortfalls that exist!


And, it has already been identified by numerous sources that Jetblue Pilots have substandard compensation and benefits. This is NOTHING new!!!!!


JJ

Originally Posted by trkytr (Post 1348079)

did i say on the bus? You highlighted it, but apparently didn't read it. I said on the 190.

Originally Posted by trkytr (Post 1348019)

do you want to be a 6 year captain on the bus

Originally Posted by alvrb211 (Post 1348073)

What does higher compensation have to do with bankruptcy and furloughs??????


This should be good!


While you answer this question, why don't you tell us all which Major Airlines are putting downward pressure on Jetblue to keep compensation as low as it is?


JJ

Originally Posted by alvrb211 (Post 1348086)

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Jj

Originally Posted by Trkytr (Post 1348089)

Are you freakin kidding me? How do you not get this. Compensate all the pilots at JetBlue 30k more a year. That's pay increase, taxes ( cause the company pays taxes on your income too), better insurance and other benefits. Now multiply that by the number of pilots we have. Now look up how much an airbus or 190 cost. Now think about back when United paid guys 350 an hour. Now think about all the other companies paying sick amount of wages to keep up. Now think about all the furloughs and bankruptcies. I really don't understand why you don't get this. The company needs to grow. That way the company can make more money, then the company can afford to pay us more and keep growing, and so on, and so on. Can JetBlue afford to pay us more? Yes. But how much more? We need that growth to keep going. The more growth the more profit in the long game. The more we make.