JetBlue "latest and greatest".
 

Okay let's leave the new hires alone. Bring the company info and rehtoric over here.

thank you!!

I hear a rumor an announcement on Feb. 11th

I usually don't pick on grammar or spelling, but I just can't resist this one. It is latest, not lateset. And it is rhetoric, not rehtoric. This thread is off to a strong start :rolleyes:

That's great just leave it out of the new hire section.

There is usually some big info as a result of the state of the airline address. Is it coincidence that the app window opens the same day!

What big info has been announced? New snacks? Own your own health? The state of the airline is usually Pom poms and fluff.

It is a lot of fluff but there is usually some good info.

My guess is new interior mods on the airbus fleet and A321 configuration info. Probably AA codeshare and a new route or two. Nothing to get too wound up over

Can y'all please pick a diff title this L&G thing is getting old

A330's out of FLL, international up in this b@tech.

Don't read it then.....

I'm guessing they'll be a couple of new routes announced. Maybe some more routes to places we already fly like the FL-Costa Rica and Colubia routes already announced. Maybe one new city, two at the most.

That's just my WAG, though.

Been hearing a rumor of a in house indirectly company backed union brewing to beat ALPA to the punch. Anyone else hearing this? If so It sounds like Dave is taking a page from the Herb Keller how to run an airline book.

Dave is taking a page from the F&H playbook, not Herb Keller's book.

An in-house union backed by the company is a sham.

It would most likely pass if it gets to vote before ALPA. SWPA was backed by Southwest at first and look at the contract that they have. My contact on the ALPA OC is worried about this happening. I for one don't need ALPA I need a CBA and if the company wants to give an in house it's blessing that's fine. I want a CBA not to screw the company. If ALPA gets there first they will have my blessing as well.

Company backed in house? It works for southwest. They have an industry LEADING contract and a profitable company. I will vote yes!

It worked for SWA because Herb was onboard with an in-house from the beginning, and gave the pilots funding to get it started.

Jetblue has hated unions from Day 1, we even had an in-house drive and it was crushed by the company. Now they change their tune because they know ALPA is coming and they cant stop it. I'm leery of the sudden, drastic change in stance on unions.

Enjoy your inhouse fantasy. It ain't gonna happen. This is the most hostile corporation out there. "Our people are what make JetBlue a success" says Dave as he approves massive health insurance cost increases. Some of you are being played.

You're delusional.

SWAPA has never "led" anything except the race to the bottom by undercutting every other major pilot groups' CBA gains for the first 30 years of their existence. The "leading" right now is due to other CBA's losing value through bankruptcy...NOT due to the superiority of the SWAPA bargaining and representation abilities.

Didn't you grammar police me on the last latest and greatest thread. Ain't? Really? You also need a comma after your quotation marks before the word say. You have been at this company for 10 years. A union would do you great. You would get more pay, awesome benefits, and a great line. I consider you have all those things now. But you and the other top 20% would gain more in exchange for screwing over the bottom 20%. Do not be fooled everyone. Look at all the Major and legacies out there, look at who gets screwed when things go bad. JetBlue has it set up now where everyone suffers or gains, but bring in Alpa- the rich get richer and the poor gets screwed. This guy wants a union to max out his pay for his last 10 years of work, but it will ruin everything for the rest of us. Example: the American or United guys that retired in the early 2000's. They did great, but at the expense of the guys who have been there for 15 years that went through multiple furloughs and 10+ years on reserve so the old guys can get 90+ hours at high end pay and 20 days off a month. If your senior and going to be around for less than 15 years then Alpa is for you. If your anyone else avoid it at all cost, it will destroy your life and this company.

Hostile can wear a tie my friend.

Lima... and two class 321

Huh... and some of us have 30+ years to go, yet we still think we need a union. Some of us are in the bottom 50% and still thing we need a union... Some of us have been furloughed twice from other airlines and still think we need a union... I wonder why?

:eek: ... next?

First of all, I don't recall ever correcting your grammar.

Second, I have 21 years left in this business, God willing.

Third, you say the company has things set up for equality. Wrong. Just look at our bid system. Seniority bidding then a PTO/UTO window where the most senior get to drop their trips, then the most senior get to swap, then they get to pick up from the pick up window, and then finally open time is available. Equality like our broken vacation system? You have to be in the 10% to get summer vacation. I advocate a silo structure where all will be represented.

I'm really not that senior. I advocate ALPA because the overwhelming number of carriers they represent now have better pay and benefits.

If you are junior you have more to benefit with a union then the most senior. Better pay, better retirement, better health insurance for you and your children, etc for more years then the old guys.

Oh by the way it's "If you're more senior", not "If your more senior." ;)

. You have been at this company for 10 years. A union would do you great. You would get more pay, awesome benefits, and a great line. I consider you have all those things now. But you and the other top 20% would gain more in exchange for screwing over the bottom 20%. Do not be fooled everyone. Look at all the Major and legacies out there, look at who gets screwed when things go bad. JetBlue has it set up now where everyone suffers or gains, but bring in Alpa- the rich get richer and the poor gets screwed. This guy wants a union to max out his pay for his last 10 years of work, but it will ruin everything for the rest of us. Example: the American or United guys that retired in the early 2000's. They did great, but at the expense of the guys who have been there for 15 years that went through multiple furloughs and 10+ years on reserve so the old guys can get 90+ hours at high end pay and 20 days off a month. If your senior and going to be around for less than 15 years then Alpa is for you. If your anyone else avoid it at all cost, it will destroy your life and this company.[/QUOTE]

I think this is a great point....


Wouldn't believe some i the stuff I have heard on the Jumpseat from crazy senior guys that only have a few years left.... Some of them could care less ....

This is far from the most hostile corporation out there. Maybe one of the most anti-union. I am willing to vote for the first CBA option out there in-house or ALPA.

He makes a horrible point.


How clueless do you have to be to fail to recognize the importance of negotiation in business?


He is trying to make a case for foregoing the ability to negotiate.


Maybe he should just show up for work, fly planes, and go home.


JJ

Are you saying a union could ruin the sub std compensation and benefits the DR is providing?????:D:D:D


JJ

I meant to type one of. At least Jonathan Ornstien, Steven wolf, etc would tell you are paid too much and your benefits are unsustainable. This place claims to have values, lies to judges and attorneys(ie 3A), and cuts benefits whenever possible. This is the most dishonest management I have ever seen.

I stand corrected then. I thought that was you, but it must of been that group of delta guys. You know more than I do about this company, but really, is it that bad? I assume your a captain making captain pay. There are 15-20 year FOs at the carriers that pay better. Your 10 year Captain pay is way better than 10 year FO pay at other places. And you have 20 years left to keep making that pay! That's great! I personally would be very cautious about forcing management to change the way they run the company. It could be the difference in having great seniority and making captain pay for 20 more years and starting over somewhere. Where you will be reserve for 5, FO for 15 and spend your last 5 as a junior Captain.

And there's the proof right there that labor economics in the Airline industry are completely lost on some people.


This guy thinks Jetblue Captains should just be glad to be making more than FOs at other carriers. He also believes Jetblue could go under if their Pilots are paid at the going rate.


Unbelievable!


JJ

Sub standard, sub standard, sub standard. I am getting tired of hearing it. What exactly is sub standard? Do you even know what the other carriers get. How do our 190 guys compare to the other carriers that fly the 190? Is the 320 a little less? Yes. But what do you get in exchange for that. Can you get to the bus is 2 years? Yes. Can you be a Captain in 6 years? Yes. Is 6 year captain pay on the 190 better than 6 year FO pay on the bus anywhere? I am assuming yes. I would really like to know what it is that you want to be better. Do you want to be a 6 year captain on the Bus making what a Bus captain makes at other carriers but it took them 15 years? We all want better, do you have a way to make things better? What do we have to give up to get there? Or do you just think ALPA will come in with a magic wand and make everything perfect, cause that is not going to happen.

I like my job and most of the people I work with. I just don't think it's unreasonable to pay and provide industry average benefits. We are sooooo far behind in so many areas. I want better benefits more then anything else. It makes me sick to see my fellow pilots being destroyed financially over serious medical issues. Many have seen medication go from $30 a month to $200-$300 a month. One even had a family member's medication increase to over a $1000 a month!
I don't expect we will ever agree but it is time for union representation!

Pilot CASM at JetBlue is 35% less then the average of our peer set. Congrats your discount goes in Dave's pocket.

Rob Maruster says we will only get 65 E190's. Right now the 190 is a third of the fleet. So 1/3 of our pilots are above industry standard and 2/3 are below. 100% of JetBlue pilots have less then industry standard retirement, medical, merger protection benefits, subpar vacation system, etc.

Six year upgrade? No freaking way, a slight chance on the 190 but it ain't gonna happen in the 320.

When you say "industry", exactly which companies are you comparing us to?

Our peer set as determined by the PVC and JetBlue. No offense but you really need to do your homework.

Not quite the point I was making. If you got hired by any other carrier ( the 5 top payers that you like to compare JetBlue to, not to mention all the other companies) 10 years ago where would you be? Your quality of life, pay, and seniority would be no where close to what it is at JetBlue. Don't twist my words. When someone joins a new company, and that is still what JetBlue is, there are trade offs. The benefits I just made clear. The negitives you made clear. So it is really your choice where you go. You can't have the Captain pay and the seniority of taxibus driver after 10 years at delta, but you will get other things there you don't get here. Those things will come, most of us our young and we have time. Worst mistake in this line of work is to rush higher compensation. Bankruptcy and furloughs is not a good thing. Oh, and that also means growth stops, which is key right now. For as smart as you think you are sometimes I wonder if your retarded, or are you that brainwashed?