SWA and RED EYES West Coast to East Coast
12-12-2014, 09:29 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by jmcke
Than again when they are running in the day SWA has one of the fastest turn around time . Giving time for more flights in the day
12-13-2014, 08:50 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Southwest turns their 800s in the same time at that DL turns theirs.
12-13-2014, 03:32 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by jmcke
That might be true but still overall Southwest has the quickest turn around time when they are not delayed. So for them there is no need for red eyes. Sometimes though I do feel they over work their aircrafts
12-14-2014, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by WNPILOT
That's actually a good question, why doesn't Southwest Airlines have redeye flights. I worked here for about five years now and the latest flight was around ten pm.
12-14-2014, 12:19 PM
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I think the model can still work with a point to point carrier simply to improve utilization. I find it hard to believe that jetBlue's Redeyes are feeding their JFK or BOS hubs. I would bet that >50% of the pax on those flights is headed to Ny or Bos. They also do redeye island turns, leaving JFK around 11pm, going down to places like Aguidilla Puerto Rico, turning around and coming back to JFk before the morning push.
For SW I think they could fill the airplane with small businessmen who want to finish work one day and get to the east coast before the start of business the next. Airplanes are time machines for small businesses.
I'll bet they could make money leaving from the west coast business centers: LAX, SFO, LAS, SAN and heading to BWI, ATL, PHL, LGA or even MDW, DAL
For SW I think they could fill the airplane with small businessmen who want to finish work one day and get to the east coast before the start of business the next. Airplanes are time machines for small businesses.
I'll bet they could make money leaving from the west coast business centers: LAX, SFO, LAS, SAN and heading to BWI, ATL, PHL, LGA or even MDW, DAL
12-14-2014, 12:42 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by 4th Level
Because the primary reason for the redeye is to feed the East Coast hubs. Since SWA doesn't operate in a strictly hub and spoke system, the need isn't as great. It doesn't mean it won't happen, but the driving force isn't as high.
12-15-2014, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
. I find it hard to believe that jetBlue's Redeyes are feeding their JFK or BOS hubs. I would bet that >50% of the pax on those flights is headed to Ny or Bos. They also do redeye island turns, leaving JFK around 11pm, going down to places like Aguidilla Puerto Rico, turning around and coming back to JFk before the morning push.
12-15-2014, 10:37 AM
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I think SWAPA helped price us out of the red-eye market.
We held the line on Avg Daily Guarantee and anything that crosses midnight forces at least one more day of pay (6.5 TFP).
So a two day of red-eye's would pay the three day guarantee.
Pretty sure that's not the way it pays at other airlines.
We held the line on Avg Daily Guarantee and anything that crosses midnight forces at least one more day of pay (6.5 TFP).
So a two day of red-eye's would pay the three day guarantee.
Pretty sure that's not the way it pays at other airlines.
