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List of US startup airlines
Virgin America. Apply via online application. Hiring initial group of check airmen. Expected to launch in 2007. Clearing regulatory hurdles. $177 million in start-up capital. Branson will hold 25% stake. 34 firm Airbus A320 orders; 70 options. Expecting operating costs to be 25-50% less than competitors.
Blackstar (Boeing 747-400) DirectAir (Boeing 737) no web site yet; gathering investment capital EOS (Boeing 757) accepting resumes via email: [email protected]. Adding 4 757s per year until goal of 20 by 5th year of ops. Focus Air (Boeing 747-300/-200) accepting resumes via email: [email protected]. 4 aircraft on property. Pic MaxJet (Boeing 767-200) Hiring. Operating daily transAtlantic flights. Pic Primaris (Boeing 787, Boeing 737-800) accepting resumes via email: [email protected]. Planning 2006 launch. Operates 1 757 on charter contracts. SelectJet (Dornier 328 Jet or similar). Undergoing FAA fitness review. To fly out of Grand Rapids, MN and St. Cloud, MN to Chicago's MDW. Skybus. Placed order for 65 Airbus A320s in October 2006. Hiring for Check Airman positions. |
Any truth to the rumor that Primaris has shut down?
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They've got to be short on cash. I can't see them lasting much longer.
We'll see. |
Originally Posted by max767capt
Any truth to the rumor that Primaris has shut down?
I don't know him that well however. So take it for what what it's worth. |
There was a web site (about 2 yrs ago) that appeared to be a "Start Up" . Turned out to be some college or high school kid who was very skilled with a computer. Anybody remember that? or have any ifo on what happened. He had a lot of people fooled.
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Blackstar...
unless you have some new or inside info, I think this one is DOA.
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf91/313212_web.pdf |
One more...
Haven't heard much talk about them. A few of the guys are the ones who tried to start Heartland a few years ago. The website was recently updated, so they must not have given up yet...
Skybus |
Overdue Update
Originally Posted by max767capt
Any truth to the rumor that Primaris has shut down?
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Originally Posted by JABDITS
Primaris has been flying a supplemental operation for Venezuelan carrier Santa Barbara Airlines since last summer. They have one B-757 that operates from MIA-CCS-MIA. During certain periods, they fly a double turn w/ layovers in CCS. They are still seeking funding for their start-up operation.
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Originally Posted by captjns
They can keep looking. They have a better chance of finding a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
TP |
Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
Do you ever have anything nice or productive to say? :(
TP By the way who appointed you the "Chief of Police of Comments" of these threads?:p |
Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
Do you ever have anything nice or productive to say? :(
TP |
Originally Posted by captjns
Oh by the way, I to ask you the same thing by based your negative response to my comment.
Maybe my comment was a little harsh, but you seem to be very quick with a jibe and it doesn't really do a lot to help and inform, which is the main purpose of most of the threads. TP |
Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
Look at my history to see the tone of my posts, they are mostly meant to help and inform.
Maybe my comment was a little harsh, but you seem to be very quick with a jibe and it doesn't really do a lot to help and inform, which is the main purpose of most of the threads. TP |
NEWS FLASH - Im at the end of the rainbow (which is 32nm east of Tuba City, AZ) and I found the "pot of gold"! Once I got the foil off, the chocolate was delicious!
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Fake Start Up
Originally Posted by Octobersky
There was a web site (about 2 yrs ago) that appeared to be a "Start Up" . Turned out to be some college or high school kid who was very skilled with a computer. Anybody remember that? or have any ifo on what happened. He had a lot of people fooled.
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Baltia Airlines looks like they'll be starting service between JFK and St Petersburg, Russia very soon. US company based out of JFK flying 747's.
Baltia Airlines (718) 275-5205 |
hard to find something positive about the mobs mentioned above....
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Thompson
Originally Posted by ContractFlyGal
The college kid was Luke Thompson, can't remember the name of the fake airline. Probably a web search by his name would give you all the information you need.
Luke R Thompson (born August 13, 1984 in Trenton, New Jersey), an American, while 18 and a sophomore at Babson College, was sued along with his company Mainline Airways LLC, a tour-operator, in June 2003 for selling travel through Mainline Airways in well publicized nature by the Attorney General of Massachusetts, Thomas Reilly. The publicity of the suit was exacerbated greatly by his age; while initially a local story, a day later the lawsuit instantly became a worldwide story once the fact that Luke Thompson was 18 years old was put in a press release. Following the lawsuit, Thompson remained enrolled at Babson College to complete his B.S. degree and was subsequently accepted into a masters program at the college's graduate school of business. The United States Department of Transportation, the regulatory agency overseeing tour operators opened an investigation against his company Mainline Airways in 2003 and took no action. However, in June 2003 Massachusetts Attorney General Thomas Reilly filed the well-publicized state lawsuit against Mainline and Luke Thompson alleging that the company would not perform the travel services paid for by customers that were to be executed beginning only a month after the suit was filed, and Reilly expressed a general concern that the company was nothing more than a fraud and Thompson was laundering large amounts of cash from the company. It was later revealed that the funds received from customers for future services were actually protected in a company escrow bank account. The suit had sought to shut down the company, obtain refunds for all customers, and $605,000 in state fines from both Mainline and Luke. Shortly after the suit was filed, Thompson declared that his company was suspending its plans to begin chartering flights due to "bad press created by the lawsuit" and canceled all “pre-reservations” and issued refunds due to the cancellation. The company had maintained the funds collected from customers so it was able to issue refunds quickly. Mainline Airways says it had planned to re-book passengers on Delta Air Lines, with whom the company had matching schedules and rebooking agreements in the event that the planned charter flights were canceled or deferred. However most customers had already put stop-payment orders on their credit card transactions after hearing the press and the company did not have sufficient capital to pay for both refunding and re-booking customers, leading to the decision to purely refund customers. Over a year after the suit and Mainline discontinued operations, on September 2nd 2004, a settlement was reached and approved between Luke Thompson and the state, providing that no party admitted wrongdoing or liability, and for no fines or other penalties would be paid Thompson or Mainline; the state had originally sought $605,000 in fines. While Thompson was not fined, he agreed that he could be fined $5,000 in the event that other terms of the settlement are violated, including if refunds provided over a year earlier were somehow not completed or the company engages in the of pre-reservation charter sales in the future where the name of the airline operating the service is not revealed at the time of purchase. The settlement formally ordered Mainline to refund all customers, but refunds had actually been provided in June 2003. The company was not under court order to issue refunds until their settlement was approved over a year later. Prior to the settlement, Thompson and Mainline filed an answer indicating over 30 defenses and over 10 counterclaims alleging improprieties and perjury in documents filed with the court to obtain a restraining order restricting sales as well as misrepresenting the terms of the order in the plaintiff Thomas Reilly's press releases, which incorrectly stated that Reilly had froze the company's assets and obtained an order to refund customers. The actual restraining order issued by the court did not order either of those actions and Thompson and Mainline demanded restitution for those errors. The settlement released all parties from liability and neither Mainline, Thompson, nor Reilly admitted wrongdoing of any kind. No declaration has been made by Thompson or another company official if or when Mainline Airways LLC will resume operations; the corporation remains in active status three years after it discontinued sales and operations. According to IRS tax records, Thompson's company Mainline Airways posted a substantial loss in 2003 including call centre expenses, and forfeiture a $20,000 deposit on an aircraft charter contract. Thompson reported that he was thankful that the company had not yet begun to advertise when the suit was filed so losses were mitigated, as a large amount of advertising was planned for soon thereafter. He also conceded that “[he] was confident in being able to finish a charter agreement with one of the dozen companies he had been working with, but advertising for project was behind and it was likely that plans for the charter would have been deferred due to the advertising delays,” and that customers buying seats on dates prior to the new start date would have been rebooked. Before college, he lived in Lower Makefield Township, Pennsylvania, a suburb northwest of Trenton, New Jersey |
Anyone know if any of these do any sponsorship schemes??
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Hi know anything about Cargo 360 new company in Seattle???
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Cargo 360
Originally Posted by BenM
(Post 60899)
Hi know anything about Cargo 360 new company in Seattle???
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
(Post 60925)
Look about 11 threads down on the "upstart" page
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Originally Posted by crewdawg52
(Post 34768)
Baltia Airlines looks like they'll be starting service between JFK and St Petersburg, Russia very soon. US company based out of JFK flying 747's.
Baltia Airlines (718) 275-5205 |
Anyone got a guess or knowledge on minimums?
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Had to dig deep in the closet to find this one...remember these days...
With all the consolidation and mergers going on...I wonder if there will be any new start ups in the next 10 years? And if there are...will they last with this new market? |
A few years back some investors wanted to restart Eastern, but, I can not find any recent info on this. Anyone know anything?
Will Eastern Airlines be resurrected and fly again? |
Originally Posted by Past V1
(Post 1056712)
With all the consolidation and mergers going on...I wonder if there will be any new start ups in the next 10 years? And if there are...will they last with this new market?
Unless I'm mistaken, only 1 of the airlines in the OP is still viable. |
Originally Posted by Jughead
(Post 1056730)
I think you know the answer. Who in their right mind would attempt it now?
Unless I'm mistaken, only 1 of the airlines in the OP is still viable. |
Baltia has a freshly painted 747-200 sitting in Victorville... And it wasn't on the chopping block. I had never heard of them before...
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Luckily the DOT now requires a startup airline to have more than $100 in their checking account prior to lighting up the "open" sign. Everything will cost exactly double that of what you initially figured.
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Originally Posted by Jughead
(Post 1056730)
I think you know the answer. Who in their right mind would attempt it now?
Unless I'm mistaken, only 1 of the airlines in the OP is still viable. |
Originally Posted by Jughead
(Post 1056730)
I think you know the answer. Who in their right mind would attempt it now?
Unless I'm mistaken, only 1 of the airlines in the OP is still viable. |
Update this entire page, there all out of business. Who's job is it to do this
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Originally Posted by scumby
(Post 1060700)
Update this entire page, there all out of business. Who's job is it to do this
Hey we are still around! We just announced the rainbow express winter fantasy trip, SFO PSP! :D |
Originally Posted by scumby
(Post 1060700)
Update this entire page, there all out of business. Who's job is it to do this
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Originally Posted by scumby
Update this entire page, there all out of business
Originally Posted by Fred Flintstone
(Post 1060730)
Where is there? (OTOH, I never get lose vs loose right)
Originally Posted by Wingtips
Chill, and Virgin America is still in business.
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Delta Air Lines - 1924
Northwest Airways - 1926 Braniff Airways - 1928 United Airlines - 1926 Oh, you mean RECENT startups. You need to be more specific.... |
Originally Posted by Cheddar
(Post 1056849)
Baltia has a freshly painted 747-200 sitting in Victorville... And it wasn't on the chopping block. I had never heard of them before...
Baltia Air Lines’ first Boeing 747 is painted and flying | World Airline News Parked somewhere in MI for now. |
Originally Posted by DYNASTY HVY
(Post 1061863)
Up and flying sort of .....
Baltia Air Lines’ first Boeing 747 is painted and flying | World Airline News Parked somewhere in MI for now. |
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