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Old 04-06-2013, 07:17 AM
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Will same priority codes still apply? Not that those are ever correct anyway....
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:18 AM
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At AA, no Benes for 6 months and then you pay for domestic Benes the first five years on a per leg basis depending on distance. After 5 years, domestic is free. You always pay for international.
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When I was at Continental Express we had to pay $12.50 per leg domestic....can't remember what the international was. It looks like the Continental way is working its way into the merger.
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Actually you fly a plane that 100% of the inventory has been purchased by whichever mainline your company has contracted with. You do not provide anymore special service to the mainline employees than the fueler does. You are just doing your job which is to fly from A to B, and his is to fuel the plane to the amount required. Both are outsourced, formerly done in house jobs.


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For one the main difference between me (a pilot at express) and a fueler is that I provide the same service for the mainline employees.
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Part of our compensation is non-revving. As regional employees, our monetary compensation quite frankly sucks, but it is supposedly made up slightly by our ability to non-rev on partner carriers. Taking away that benefit (or increasing the costs associated with it) effectively decreases our compensation. In other words, it is a paycut if this memo is true.

The partner carriers already get a screaming deal on the backs of poorly compensated regional airline employees. Now United want to essentially create a big paycut to all of us. As a pilot, it really doesn't affect me since I can jumpseat. But it will very negatively affect non-flight crew regional employees, which will of course make it even harder to draw competent talent to already struggling regional carriers.
B-scale at its finest. The planes are painted in UA colors but we are the red headed step child. This is going to kill commuting flight attendants. And as a pilot it will affect you. Jumpseaters go on the very bottom of the list so that means if you get bumped off the jumpseat, you only get a seat after all the buddy pass riders.
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Part of our compensation is non-revving. As regional employees, our monetary compensation quite frankly sucks, but it is supposedly made up slightly by our ability to non-rev on partner carriers. Taking away that benefit (or increasing the costs associated with it) effectively decreases our compensation. In other words, it is a paycut if this memo is true.

The partner carriers already get a screaming deal on the backs of poorly compensated regional airline employees. Now United want to essentially create a big paycut to all of us. As a pilot, it really doesn't affect me since I can jumpseat. But it will very negatively affect non-flight crew regional employees, which will of course make it even harder to draw competent talent to already struggling regional carriers.

If non-reving is not specifically defined as part of your compensation then it is not part of your compensation. It is a 'benefit' of working in the industry but not part of your pay unless it is specifically addressed in your contract.

I have learned long ago that anything that is not black and white in the contract is subject to interpretation and we (employees) lose in cases of interpretation. Our employment is strictly business and should be seen as that and only that.

Read your contract. If non-reving is not addressed as part of your pay/compensation then you're wrong. I'm not saying I'm not sympathetic. But the companies love getting employees to pay for their work from training (buying type ratings, pay to work, training bonds, etc.) to commuting costs to uniforms to getting employees to store company documents on personal electronic devices like iPads, to requiring us to make phone calls on personal phones, etc. It goes on and on and as long as the contracts don't address something, the advantage goes to the company and their team of lawyers that look for gray areas and non-rev is one of those areas. Eventually it will have a backlash as fewer and fewer people get into the business. But I would expect the erosion of reasons to be in this industry to continue.

We may think it's part of our pay because historically it's been a perk of working in aviation. But if it's not specifically defined, then it's not part of our compensation. It's just business. No more, no less.
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Originally Posted by Duke990 View Post
B-scale at its finest. The planes are painted in UA colors but we are the red headed step child. This is going to kill commuting flight attendants. And as a pilot it will affect you. Jumpseaters go on the very bottom of the list so that means if you get bumped off the jumpseat, you only get a seat after all the buddy pass riders.
Good point. All the more reason I don't want to stay any longer at a regional than I have to, as originally planned.
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Good point. All the more reason I don't want to stay any longer at a regional than I have to, as originally planned.
Nobody plans on staying at a regional. Some people get stuck at them for reasons completely out of their control.
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At AA, no Benes for 6 months and then you pay for domestic Benes the first five years on a per leg basis depending on distance. After 5 years, domestic is free. You always pay for international.
God willing, one would never serve this long at Eagle, but international travel in coach does become free after 25 years. Upgrades become cheaper at that point, as well.
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Nobody plans on staying at a regional. Some people get stuck at them for reasons completely out of their control.
Of course, I completely understand. But this is one more reason against it, with plenty more to come I'm sure.
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