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Ernst Kessler 04-16-2013 07:58 AM

JetBlue growth
 
Does anyone know the specific growth schedule? When will JetBlue get to 250 airplanes and are widebodies a tentative plan when we get to 250 jets?

Flyby1206 04-16-2013 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Ernst Kessler (Post 1392147)
Does anyone know the specific growth schedule? When will JetBlue get to 250 airplanes and are widebodies a tentative plan when we get to 250 jets?

Page 20 for delivery schedule. 115 more a/c through 2021(Currently at 180 airframes):

http://investor.jetblue.com/phoenix....32238BE52CBB9C

As for "growth" it is anyone's guess. None of us has a clue how many aircraft will be returned as new a/c come on property.

I personally dont believe we will ever get widebodies. I think we do much better as a niche carrier like Alaska, focusing on BOS/JFK/northeast traffic and codesharing with everyone else. The widebody carrot is always dropped in initial/recurrent training and the fleet number is always just a little more than we have. When I came through it was 170 airframes until we ordered A330s, then 195, then 215, now 250. So... draw your own conclusions

polly 04-16-2013 08:04 AM

The only widebodies we have are the FAs. I am sure we will be getting more

IDIDNTGETMINE 04-16-2013 08:11 AM

HA! Your asking about growth as 3 management types AKA par team send an email about opening the door wide open for codes sharing this morning. Any future orders and growth are a complete guess right now.

Ernst Kessler 04-16-2013 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by polly (Post 1392154)
The only widebodies we have are the FAs. I am sure we will be getting more

What??? I thought they all looked like this at JetBlue:

http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/i...4f762764/l.jpg

http://www.flyertalk.com/the-tarmac/...Attendants.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu...vzvo1_1280.jpg

benzoate 04-16-2013 10:17 AM

Code shares are not inherently bad but for JetBlue pilots this is a nightmare. Over the years Barger has touted the open architecture of the route network. These upcoming code shares will limit future growth and stagnate career progression. If anything positive ever came out of the fab 4 it was the PVC ability to limit the code after a certain time frame. This will soon disappear.

Bluedriver 04-16-2013 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by benzoate (Post 1392245)
Code shares are not inherently bad but for JetBlue pilots this is a nightmare. Over the years Barger has touted the open architecture of the route network. These upcoming code shares will limit future growth and stagnate career progression. If anything positive ever came out of the fab 4 it was the PVC ability to limit the code after a certain time frame. This will soon disappear.

Maybe we will vote no. If you say they will do it anyway, then you are contridicting your statement above about our ability to limit them.

benzoate 04-16-2013 10:44 AM

I don't honestly know that the pilot group can limit the scope. Only the PVC can do that. They are also in a difficult position as management wants relief from that. Also domestically we have no say.

"The first adjustment in 2014 is 16% and the (28 under) PAR Team wants to convince the Pilot Group Jetblue needs more efficiency and domestic unlimited code sharing without PVC consent to pay for Peer Set Industry Average Base Pay. "

Bluedriver 04-16-2013 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by benzoate (Post 1392257)
I don't honestly know that the pilot group can limit the scope. Only the PVC can do that. They are also in a difficult position as management wants relief from that. Also domestically we have no say.

"The first adjustment in 2014 is 16% and the (28 under) PAR Team wants to convince the Pilot Group Jetblue needs more efficiency and domestic unlimited code sharing without PVC consent to pay for Peer Set Industry Average Base Pay. "

Where did you get that quote from?

benzoate 04-16-2013 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 1392272)
Where did you get that quote from?

a former committee member.

Jetblue has no interest in bringing any part of your compensation package to industry standard. Any raise you believe you'll receive will easily be negated by this code share. If AA, or anyone else, is doing our domestic flying for us this will inherently limit our growth. By limiting our growth we limit block hours which directly affect your pay.

The point is Jetblue does not have you, the pilots, best interest in mind.

We are providing Jetblue a 28% CASM margin and they claim they need our help to ease scope/code share? Giving flying away does nothing more than stagnate your career.


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