Hiring of Expats
 

Since ATA shut down, I've had to bounce around the Expat Contract pilot world. I've applied to the usual suspects of late. Any idea if they are interviewing/hiring expat pilots? I know some are taking recall and going back, and I know SWA has in the past, but I was wondering what the present looks like.

I know UPS and FEDEX won't touch me, so you don't have to bring that up.

is that true and even legal?

Yes and yes. You have to have been a continuous resident of the US in order to comply with governmental contracts they have.

Did you get your stuff in to AA? App window just opened.

Yes, I did. I doubt I'll hear from them. Some of my logbook data is incomplete. I don't have all my logbooks here. Won't be home until the 10th.

It's not just residency. I was told by one of "them" in NRT that they won't even touch me. Did not give up US residency, but also have Japanese.

It's not just UPS and FedEx.

It's any US Flag carrier. They all have contracts to handle US Mail.

The most succinct info comes from the FedEx website.

Candidates for jobs involving handling or access to U.S. mail cannot be considered for employment if they have resided outside the U.S., Guam or Puerto Rico for more than (6) six months during the last (5) years prior to today's date, other than the following verifiable exceptions: active duty in the U.S. Uniformed Service; trailing spouse or dependent of someone working for the U.S. government (military or civilian); missionary; student attending school in a foreign country; Peace Corps participant; employee of a U.S. based employer/company or other extraordinary circumstances.

i.e., if you left to fly for Emirates for the last 3 years, you are not eligible for a job at ANY US Flag carrier until you have been in the US for 5 continuous years.

http://ctlr.msu.edu/cotravel/FlagAirCarriersUS.aspx

Sorry but that is completely incorrect, it is only an issue at freight carriers because the crews could potentially have access to freight in flight, it doesn't apply to any other carrier. I know several pilots that have been abroad for years and have now gotten jobs with several of the majors in the US. And no, these are NOT guys coming back from furlough.

I was at a job abroad back when I got hired the first and second time at a major and it wasn't an issue.

Saudi Airlines
 

Just met a Saudi Airline FO that was making his way from Dubai to Denver for a UAL interview. Further, if legacies do not hire expats because of fed contracts, I think we (furloughed UAL) would have difficulties going back for the same reasons...not the case. Many have returned.

Atlas hiresvguys who r working and living Overseas.

If what I'm hearing about Atlas schedules, e.g. 3 weeks on at a time, then I'm just as well off, if not better, staying at my present gig.

I still live in Texas but also have residency in my domicile nation.

Sorry you're incorrect Matthew.. Several guys have left Emirates recently for "Flag Carriers" on that list, I know a few of them personally. Last I heard FedEx was the only one that had the requirement. UPS may have it now as well, but a few years ago they hired several Cathay guys that were HKG based (as well as US based.)

'A few years ago' being the requisite statement.

'Access to the freight' is laughable.

It's a FAR now.

You are wrong...! Just understand that you are just plain wrong and don't insist in an argument that is being proven wrong at a daily basis. Two cases from this week, not years ago...., one of our captains just placed his resignation yesterday, hired at UAL after being working in Japan for the past 7 years. Another good friend of mine (who I've known for 25 years) has been abroad for 15 of those, also got hires at UAL this week.:rolleyes:

Agreed. I flew in Europe for a year before I got hired. I've never heard of this restriction before. If it's new, it's news to me. Seems like a stupid and arbitrary rule.

I dïdnt think US pax carriers have hauled mail since shortly after 9/11.

GF

Funny, I had a pile of pallets of it the other day. Guess we didn't get the memo. :)

I agree, it seems stupid and arbitrary, especially since FedEx has foreign bases.:confused:

In 2006 one major airline still did. I helped load it daily.

Ok. I'm happy to be wrong. Got a few PMs from folks here that explained the rule.

Thanks for the info, guys.

Fly safe.

Shh, don't tell these people. Admittedly, this is from last year, but still...

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Updated: 5:24 p.m. Wednesday, July 25, 2012 | Posted: 1:36 p.m. Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Carrying more U.S. mail, Delta adds mail sorting system

By Kelly Yamanouchi
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines is seeking to expand its cargo business by carrying more mail for the U.S. Postal Service, which has grown to become one of the airline's biggest customers.
To boost its ability to handle more mail than manual sorting allows, Delta added a new automated mail sorting system for domestic mail in Atlanta, which began operations this week.
Delta exited the domestic mail business close to six years ago, when some airlines — including Delta — thought mail was not generating enough profit to justify the effort.
But Delta's chief cargo officer Neel Shah sought to regain the business after joining the airline in 2008, and the airline now has a multiyear contract to carry mail. It's a $100 million-a-year business for Delta, which carries about 2.5 million to 3 million pounds of domestic mail a week.
Shah said he has always liked mail. "I can't think of a more perfect product to put in the bellies of narrow-body aircraft," he said.
Handling mail requires the right scanning technology and performance to succeed, but mail trays fit well in cargo holds and the business is relatively stable, Shah said.
He said Delta is one of a few primary airline carriers of domestic mail, mainly first-class letters. Small packages, prohibited from being carried on passenger aircraft unless properly screened, are carried by FedEx and UPS for the Postal Service.
"This is a very, very important part of our business," Shah said.

Me too. I actually handled some when a box fell off of the belt loader while I did my walkaround. I picked it up and handed it to the handler. :eek:

Note that, even at the freight carriers, it can be a loosey-goosey issue. I've been abroad much of the last six years, but was a US resident - legally - the entire time, even though I passed the IRS physical presence test a couple of years. Most American expats are in the same boat. Now I'm not sure how FedEx and UPS (and the USPS) are interpreting "resident", but unless you've picked up and moved the whole kit-and-kaboodle and actually changed your residence, I suspect an overseas job is a non-issue. Any FedEx or UPS guys care to detach themselves from the freight forum and weigh in? :)

Jet Airways in India is hiring again, for the B737NG.

This was discussed a while back in the cargo forums and the story from somebody that applied at FedEx was that working or residing abroad was a no go, it is unclear if UPS has the same restriction though, for what I understand it is only FedEx...!

I remember reading that and I thought the answer was that working abroad was ok as long as it was a commuting contract and not one that required one to live abroad.

I know, semantics. Just making the distinction that working abroad doesn't necessarily mean "living" abroad.

Yeah, I saw it, but IIRC the restriction was exaggerated by one of the posters. Even a long international overnight would technically proscribe you from working at FedEx. I don't believe that, so again the key is how somebody in Memphis defines "reside".

...Yup. :)