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Old 10-04-2013 | 04:35 PM
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Since ATA shut down, I've had to bounce around the Expat Contract pilot world. I've applied to the usual suspects of late. Any idea if they are interviewing/hiring expat pilots? I know some are taking recall and going back, and I know SWA has in the past, but I was wondering what the present looks like.

I know UPS and FEDEX won't touch me, so you don't have to bring that up.
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Old 10-04-2013 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by HalinTexas

I know UPS and FEDEX won't touch me, so you don't have to bring that up.
is that true and even legal?
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Old 10-04-2013 | 05:18 PM
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is that true and even legal?
Yes and yes. You have to have been a continuous resident of the US in order to comply with governmental contracts they have.
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Old 10-04-2013 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HalinTexas
Since ATA shut down, I've had to bounce around the Expat Contract pilot world. I've applied to the usual suspects of late. Any idea if they are interviewing/hiring expat pilots? I know some are taking recall and going back, and I know SWA has in the past, but I was wondering what the present looks like.

I know UPS and FEDEX won't touch me, so you don't have to bring that up.
Did you get your stuff in to AA? App window just opened.
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Old 10-04-2013 | 06:35 PM
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Yes, I did. I doubt I'll hear from them. Some of my logbook data is incomplete. I don't have all my logbooks here. Won't be home until the 10th.

It's not just residency. I was told by one of "them" in NRT that they won't even touch me. Did not give up US residency, but also have Japanese.
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Old 10-04-2013 | 06:52 PM
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It's not just UPS and FedEx.

It's any US Flag carrier. They all have contracts to handle US Mail.

The most succinct info comes from the FedEx website.

Candidates for jobs involving handling or access to U.S. mail cannot be considered for employment if they have resided outside the U.S., Guam or Puerto Rico for more than (6) six months during the last (5) years prior to today's date, other than the following verifiable exceptions: active duty in the U.S. Uniformed Service; trailing spouse or dependent of someone working for the U.S. government (military or civilian); missionary; student attending school in a foreign country; Peace Corps participant; employee of a U.S. based employer/company or other extraordinary circumstances.

i.e., if you left to fly for Emirates for the last 3 years, you are not eligible for a job at ANY US Flag carrier until you have been in the US for 5 continuous years.

http://ctlr.msu.edu/cotravel/FlagAirCarriersUS.aspx
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Old 10-04-2013 | 08:38 PM
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Sorry but that is completely incorrect, it is only an issue at freight carriers because the crews could potentially have access to freight in flight, it doesn't apply to any other carrier. I know several pilots that have been abroad for years and have now gotten jobs with several of the majors in the US. And no, these are NOT guys coming back from furlough.

I was at a job abroad back when I got hired the first and second time at a major and it wasn't an issue.
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Old 10-04-2013 | 09:55 PM
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Just met a Saudi Airline FO that was making his way from Dubai to Denver for a UAL interview. Further, if legacies do not hire expats because of fed contracts, I think we (furloughed UAL) would have difficulties going back for the same reasons...not the case. Many have returned.
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Atlas hiresvguys who r working and living Overseas.
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Old 10-05-2013 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Atlas hiresvguys who r working and living Overseas.
If what I'm hearing about Atlas schedules, e.g. 3 weeks on at a time, then I'm just as well off, if not better, staying at my present gig.

I still live in Texas but also have residency in my domicile nation.
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